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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    wont be all that good for ireland unfortunately, so, lets see what happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    They'll probably just do as they always do, devalue the currency.

    As is any Irish person who moved over there around 2010 and now wants to return will have seen the value of the Aussie $ lose over 30% against the euro since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Delete

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Lol. Joking aside though, this will put more pressure on industries that are already struggling on the raw materials front.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A Samsung phone uses 2g of silver and the price today is $3.3 /g and this time last year it was $1.0 / g. It makes little difference overall on a 1K phone. Problem arises if you cannot buy it, you cannot make the phone.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Or the consumer (end user) can keep using their current phone. I have used 2 phones over the last 10 years for personal use. However my employer insists on replacing my work phone every 2 years. Much of the electronics / technology produced these days is not needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I am the same as you. But in 2025 1.25 billion smartphones were produced, it sounds crazy doesn't it ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    and probably another billion dumped in some hole in the ground or incinerated to make room for the produced ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    our modern tech is an environmental nightmare, ive personally never bought a smart phone, yet ive managed to acquire many of them, you d be surprised what some people call rubbish, and it looks like ive another, very modern, very workable one on the way! its a bloody mess, think ive only bought one, a dumb phone, in the last 20 years, or so, and ive already broken that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I was talking to a friend of mine last night. He is expecting a recession imminently. He is stockpiling food again - that last happened during Covid even though I assured him the food supply chains were fine apart from the folks that were also stockpiling and emptying shelves. He has moved his pension to cash (he is 50) and had a load of silver bought over the past few years. He doesn't even trust bonds for some reason. He reckons Trump is killing confidence in the dollar and it will lead to a stock market crash. What do you think?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    No harm moving into gold and out of stocks or US bonds, there is definite volatility there and plenty of institutionals are doing the same thing to reduce exposure.

    Stockpiling food, and moving his pension to cash is stupid though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hopefully hes also stock piling toilet paper to, definitely a major crash coming for that market!

    rocky road ahead though!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Vanguard has a Index product for US investors for non US markets and it's seen increased interest, especially since Trump's tariff regime started.

    https://markets.ft.com/data/etfs/tearsheet/summary?s=VXUS:NMQ:USD

    Normally there's a flight to the USD and gold in times economic chaos, but all commodities are rising alongside the US stock market. Relatively it's the USD that's taking the hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    A LOT of money is invested in shock vulnerable sectors by people who seem a bit optimistic/reckless. Bonds, commodities, securities, private credit, FX, anything AI. Throw in tariffs, geopolitics and weak consumer demand... It's easy to see the downside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Why is it stupid to move pension to cash? It's basically no risk?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    Inflation will eat away at cash whereas a pension fund will generally match it. Of course taking cash out prior to a crash is optimal but hard to do in practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's easier to let it sit there for ten or fifteen years. The hits might happen but there's plenty of time for it to recover. Plus you can put it in lower risk funds etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I don’t think it will be a melt down, I think it will be a melt up. The chickens are coming home to roost. Heavy metals have been baking in the debasement of all currencies since Covid times.
    There is now a break in the global order and it’s becoming a dog eat dog global world. Expect more and more unrest, uncertainty and crises. Every government will print money to paper over the cracks, the genie is out of the bottle and expect bonds to lose value. The bond market will no longer expect low interest rates for bullshit bonds when governments are just taking the piss with printing and qe along with deficits spending growing exponentially. All the while western economies have declining population and a growing aging economy putting more strain on them. Then these economies want to increase military spending and defence at the same time - rates will have to go a lot higher, or else a lot of printing to buy your own debt which will drive inflation even more. A full **** up either way ahead.

    Melt up, more inflation more unrest and high interest rates.

    Fun fact, in 2008 you needed nearly 500 oz of gold to buy an average costs house in Ireland roughly 4 times the long term average. In 2012 in the height of the crash when house were for nothing, it was only 120 Oz roughly to buy the average house.

    Today a house is roughly 110 Oz of gold to buy the average cost house, even though houses are at all time highs. So in “old money” houses are cheaper now than in the height of the crash, that’s some stat.

    This would lead me to believe assets like house's are not actually in a bubble, our money is just quickly becoming worthless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭greyday


    What you are saying basically is that in fiat monetary terms the price of houses has increased due to printing of money but in gold terms they are basically stagnant the last decade as gold is a finite resource on planet earth, is that correct?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    The problem at the moment if you're a US investor is that all stock market growth over the last year has been driven mostly by the magnificent 7 stocks, including Nvidia. The rest of the stock market has been flat.

    Gold doesn't pay dividends so it's only ever a transitory play, a measure of the fear of Trump's expressed interest in devaluing the USD more.

    If a year ago a US investor had put everything on the Spanish index they'd be up 50%, but over the same time period an Irish person investing the US will see little return because of the USD devaluation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭amacca


    That pretty much sums up my thoughts too. You print a **** ton of fiat, you rack up potentially unsustainable debt....you need to inflate it away and you need distraction

    Cash has the potential to buy you a lot less in an even shorter time frame than we've grown accustomed to in previous decades....hence people desperately chucking money into anything else ...it could at least keep up with inflation.....US is practically telling people straight out what it intends to do.…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    So what happens to all those European / Japanese financial institutions that are sat on trillions of US debt that we have been hearing about so much lately ?

    Seems like those countries who lost trust in the USD a few years ago and piled into precious metals instead made quite an inspired move, albeit just a transitory one.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting drops in gold and silver after Chinese funds called a halt on purchases yesterday evening which filtered through to markets today.

    Such metals are the perfect conduit for dedollarisation as they're interchangeable with all internationally traded currencies, but if China is the main buyer it is better to pull back now to take wind out of the sails and pile in again when it's cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Chinese industry also relies on both for manufacturing of various items. Semiconductors and PCBs use lots of gold, and silver too.

    Funds easing off may be a play to help industy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    For 5 days this last fortnight Comex traded 1.4 times the annual global silver production. For every ounce they sell 350 other parties have a claim on that fully redeemable physical ounce.

    Regardless of these **ckers making fortunes on buying and selling IOU's it still does not change the fact that 20% more silver is consumed than produced and most of it is stored in the East now.

    Try buying a physical kilo at the current price, you pay 30% more and probably wait 2 weeks and just get a refund. If you bought a kilo of gold you pay 5% above the price no problem.

    https://www.bullionbypost.ie/silver-bars/1kg-silver-bar/

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Chinese industries have built storage for what they can't solely supply themselves. Crude oil storage has been a national strategy since that time oil went to $150 a barrel in 2008 when it was bid up by money escaping the financials meltdown.

    Strategic reserves means they can step back and sit out when market bubbles form, which I suspect is what is happening now as the global economy continues to deDollarize and all that money is returning home and driving up every US index.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It is a good policy, make cash and stock up on what you may need if things go crazy. Trump 1 set them off with it, probably woke them up to it, also have good relations with those that have what you may need at some point is a good policy.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    The crude oil reserve policy goes back to 2008, but certainly the Huawei ban made Chinese exporters prioritize strategies to sidestep the USA.



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