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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If one of Izuchuckwu or Ahern had the durability that say Cian Prednergast has, we’d have potentially a world class 6 on our hands. They have all the raw materials, just neither can stay fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,825 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Quite the quartet in Baird, izuchukwu, Ahern and Soroka. Absolutely cursed with injuries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭letsbefair


    Bohan's late grandfather Mick Doyle was a legend of Leinster and Irish rugby, also a Lion and an outstanding coach. Best of luck to the young man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭almostover


    He will pick Aki in the 23 shirt if he picks Crowley in the 22 jersey. Because if Keenan needs to come off Crowley will play FB. Only way Aki is not in the 23 is if Byrne is picked either to start or bench.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And like night follows day…

    He has actually had a decent number of minutes the last two seasons (1000 and 1200) but he always seems to get injured at international windows.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,593 ✭✭✭fitz


    Anyone think that if Hugo doesn't make it in time, there's a chance that Farrell goes for SP at 10, Crowley at 15, Byrne on the bench?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No, I think he'll pick Stockdale, but I imagine Crowley will cover 15 from the bench.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,593 ✭✭✭fitz


    I'd suspect so too, and Stockdale has been in decent form, but I do worry about him defensively.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    There is no reason to do that if Osborne or Stockdale are available. So unless all 3 are out then no there is virtually no chance of this happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    If we're down to our 3rd or 4th choice in any position then there are bound to be areas of concern. There's not much we cam do about that. There is zero reason to think Crowley would be better than Stockdale defensively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭big-al


    yet you think picking a flyhalf to start his first game at 15 (probably in professional rugby) away in Paris is the wiser selection?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    To be fair, I do think Crowley is a better tackler in general, and has actually displayed some good skills from the fullback position. But positioning is huge and he hasn't been massively tested there, nor does he have to make the kind of tackles a FB has to make.

    I suspect, much like last year, JC may end up playing a lot of his time at 12 or 15.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,593 ✭✭✭fitz


    No, I don't say it'd be a wiser selection, but has Stockdale played at 15 under Farrell? Crowley has. It just occurred to me and hadn't seen it discussed.

    Whatever about Keenan coming straight in without playing since injury, I just wasn't sure Osbourne would get the same treatment.

    I was just pondering aloud, really. Full back is far from our biggest issue, anyway. Front row situation is what's gonna hurt us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭big-al


    Stockdale would have played 15 around 2020/2021



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭jimbob955


    after the last few weeks the players I would like to see fast tracked


    JJ kennny

    Tector - best young centre in Ireland

    Niall smyth - believe the hype

    As a development player:

    Alan spicer - get him in early into camp, we never produce this sort of size in Ireland

    Exciting times



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,529 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Yep, 4 starts in those years, including two in the six nations of 2020



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Juventu4


    And the Ward brothers. Spicer no way, he is a long-term project he'll need more S&C, looks very laboured jogging around the academy game vs Toulouse and will bedd to drastically show more work ethic and aggression.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,593 ✭✭✭fitz


    Yeah, I looked it up earlier and I remembered him having a howler against France. He by no means looked like a good option at 15 back then if my recollection is right. He's been mostly very good for Ulster this season, and deserves to be in the squad and to get a chance to press his case for claiming the spot if Keenan doesn't make it, but I think I'd still expect at least one costly defensive error.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭big-al


    I’d love to know you thoughts on how Lowe, Ringrose and Hanson have been playing in the past 12 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    Sam Prendergast at 15 at test level is truly the stuff of nightmares



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Second half of last season they were all in good form. First half of this season, not so much. And Hansen is out on long term injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I am a huge fan of Ringrose but I think there is a case for Farrell at 13 next week. Similar to Aki, the form just isn't there at the moment. Unlike Aki though I think Ringrose is just a blip due to being so stop start with injuries since the summer Lions Tour. It's not a very Andy Farrell thing to do but for us to have a chance I think he needs to select the players in form.

    In a similar vein I would play Stockdale at 15. I don't think France away is the time to play your first game back in the guts of 6 months for Keenan.

    My team: 1. Loughman and hope for a miracle 2. Sheehan 3. Clarkson 4. McCarthy 5. Ryan 6. Beirne 7. JDVF 8. Doris 9. JGP 10. Prendergast 11. Lowe (Would have picked Ward if named) 12. McCloskey 13. Farrell 14. TOB 15. Stockdale 16. Kelleher 17. Bohan 18. Furlong 19. Edogbo 20. Conan 21. Casey 22. Byrne 23. Frawley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,119 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think if Furlong is fit, we'll see Bealham deployed at LH either to start or on the bench. Loughman isn't bad though, I think he could surprise us.

    Would love to see Edogbo getting a chance - but if he had to come on early, would he last the pace?

    My predicted team based on current injury status:

    Keenan

    Lowe McCloskey Ringrose TOB

    JGP Prendergast

    Loughman Sheehan Furlong

    Ryan McCarthy

    Beirne Doris VDF

    Kelleher Bealham Clarkson Prendergast Conan Casey Crowley Aki



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Largely agree with your team, but I would still pick Ringrose and he couldn't throw Bohan in. Keenan I'd also now question. He would need to play v Edinburgh.

    If it comes to pass and Keenan is not ready; it must be one of the following players at FB:

    1.Crowley

    2.Frawley (And Frawley is not equipped to play 15 at this level)

    After the unmitigated disaster of a decision to play Boyle v Connacht. France are going to bombard the backfield with kicks (more than ever).

    Kicking for territory, Kicking to regather and relishing the prospect of Scrums.

    If Farrell picks anybody other than those 3 to play 15 it would amount to gross negligence for Ireland.

    Your Team / My Team:

    1. Loughman and hope for a miracle 2. Sheehan 3. Clarkson 4. McCarthy 5. Ryan 6. Beirne 7. JDVF 8. Doris 9. JGP 10. Prendergast 11. Lowe (Would have picked Ward if named) 12. McCloskey 13. Farrell RINGROSE 14. TOB 15. Stockdale CROWLEY 16. Kelleher 17. Bohan MILNE and hope for a miracle 18. Furlong 19. Edogbo 20. Conan 21. Casey 22. Byrne 23. Frawley Farrell or Keenan if fit

    Predicted Team:

    1. Loughman 2. Sheehan 3. Furlong 4. McCarthy 5. Ryan 6. Beirne 7. JDVF 8. Doris 9. JGP 10. Prendergast 11. Lowe 12. McCloskey 13.Ringrose 14. TOB 15. Keenan if fit 16. Kelleher 17. Milne 18. Beahlam 19. Edogbo 20. Conan 21. Casey 22. Byrne 23. CROWLEY

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Farrell's form has been poor enough too though, I can't see them making that switch here, especially when the backline will already be a bit rejigged I suspect.

    I'm not as worried about Keenan; he's been back in full training for around a fortnight now. His match sharpness won't be there, but I bet his fitness will be fine.

    I'd start Stockdale on the left wing instead; Lowe's form just doesn't justify inclusion IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Ya I'm not opposed to your changes. Crowley at 15 at this level could be a disaster, but could also be a masterstroke. I think Stockdale deserves it though on form this season.

    I've only seen this Bohan play once, so I know very very little about him but Milne scrummaging against France could literally be a guaranteed penalty every single scrum and end up like Porter against SA in November. Maybe that is being harsh on him but I don't think Milne is a good scrummager to my eye.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Farrell picked Keenan for the Lions after the dude lost like 5kg of body mass with a terrible illness. If he is fit to play he is being picked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,119 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah, there are players who just come in regardless of game time, Keenan is one of them.



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