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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Most western leaders have been terrified of Trump since 2016. Carney is perhaps the first to take a "To hell with him" approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It's over 20 years since I lived there, and this is just the impressions of one probably biased observer, but compared to Europeans I think the middle class folks I met had a higher standard of living in terms of stuff, but they had a poorer quality of life. A lot of their material comfort was based on cheap credit, and due to high education costs many were mortgaged up to the hilt to get their kids through college. Given the nature of employment laws, the whole house of cards could topple at any time. I also found a higher level of personal identification with their jobs - US folks liked to spend long hours at the office and not take all their holidays, in contrast to folks I saw in Germany who would turn up at 8am, work hard until 4.30pm, and then leave the job behind until the following morning. I think the whole US economic system depends on people being in a constant state of striving - social media and the self help industry worsens this. And I haven't even mentioned healthcare…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The pre-Musk Twitter went too far in the opposite direction though with censorship favouring the Left

    That's nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    But the reality is that there is a growing intersection of elected politicians and corporations. In the EU we have tougher regulation against this but the UK has weaker regulation. The US used to have the McCain-Feingold regulations but they were struck down in the Citizens United Case in 2010.

    I dislike the Social Darwinism of the American form of capitalism, but we can't deny that it has allowed them to finance the strongest military in the world, albeit at the price of abandoning their poor and sick to the ruthless insurance companies. The late Brian Thompson was notorious for denying claims.

    We could maybe show we can be more open to the establishment of giants that can compete with the US, without gutting those regulations that protect our values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like he is getting warmed up for his big speech. Another tirade this morning from him on Truth social.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I don't think you can blame the healthcare sh1tshow on military spending. The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other developed country, but the system is set up to prioritise profits for insurance companies and providers ahead of positive outcomes for patients.

    Military power is a great thing only if it's wielded according to some moral standards.

    I'd like a capitalist system where sustainable rather than exponentially increasing profit was the goal, but those days seem to be long gone and I've no idea how to get the toothpaste back into the tube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    CNN showing a poll. American disapproval of buying Greenland is 40% more than approval. Will Trump care?

    Also Harry Enten, formerly (or maybe still I don't know) of fivethirtyeight.com is showing average Presidential net approval ratings going back to Nixon for 1 year into a second term. Trump, at -17%, is second lowest after Nixon on -32%. Reagan was +38%, Clinton +30%, Obama -12%, GW Bush -12%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The Irish Left (and EU leadership in general) is correct in prioritizing diplomacy and economic measures as tools by which to interact with neighbouring countries irrespective of how powerful they are.

    And without alliances, what you are left with is increasing acrimony and division and as countries spend money on defence forces then there will be a point where someone feels becoming more aggressive in that manner.

    The US people don't want their country to be as militarily active as even they have been over the last 20 years and it is important to encourage them in the direction that they are leaning so they select appropriate politicians going forward.

    I'm not saying countries should have no defences or spending in that respect but they are very much a precaution rather than a preferred strategy.

    All the things people care about, healthcare/education spending, immigration, the economy, generally suffer as a consequence of military actions and so all steps should be taken to avoid them.

    The world should move towards bringing about a meaningful United Nations, not allowing it to be used as a cover by the US, Russia, China and Israel for them to feel they can enforce their world order on everyone else.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    He will dismiss those results as fake news. Anything that contradicts his view, no matter how fact based, is fake or left wing propaganda. He is never wrong in his view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think culturally, there are various reasons why Europe has a different attitude to healthcare compared to the US.

    We learned from the rise of Fascism and Communism that if the masses are economically desperate, sick and hungry, they will turn to extreme ideologies. That is what has happened in the United States.

    Also, I think that despite the growth of secularism in Europe, the old Catholic idea of health as a "vocation" plays some role in our wariness of letting capitalism get too involved in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I'm wondering how long he will take it to try to take control of the opinion polls, like Putin did.

    The boss of Estee Lauder, Ronald Lauder, has been linked to the move to acquire Greenland.

    Lauder wrote for the New York Post: "Trump's Greenland concept was never absurd - it was strategic. Beneath its ice and rock lies a treasure trove of rare-earth elements essential for AI, advanced weaponry and modern technology. As ice recedes, new maritime routes are emerging, reshaping global trade and security."

    Belgian PM saying 'being a happy vassal is one thing. being a miserable slave is another'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They're also one of the top OECD countries per capita on education.

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    So why do so many of them vote for Trump?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    To an extent he does with his followers. If their sole source of news is FOX News and they already dismiss everything else then there's not much he needs to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I think it all goes back to rugged individualism. The folks I met would give a friend $100 if they were stuck, but the idea of the government taking $100 to give $1 each to 100 people in need would be abhorrent to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It just goes to show that money in is not a reliable measure of quality of service out. We quadrupled health spend in Ireland without a significant improvement in healthcare.

    I think people vote for Trump because he has a few simple messages that chime with them. They like to outsource their critical thinking (not that Trump is capable of such a thing) because it makes life simple and they don't have to ask themselves hard questions. A bit like how people had their thinking over to some church or other.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    When people ask if they are living paycheck to paycheck they basically lie. People earning >300k claim this. Self-reported studies on it are completely pointless.

    Their income is higher, their discretionary expenditure is higher, the median person has >8k in transaction accounts (so they aren't living paycheck to paycheck).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I have studied with North Americans and completed North American post-graduate exams. Equally, I have known quite a few Europeans that went to the big schools and Universities.

    The problem with the American education system is that it wants to fill the mind with facts, pattern recognition and algorithmic learning. They are taught what to think. It is too specialised. The Europeans I know (appreciating the fact that the European education system can be elitist) had a broad and comprehensive education. A friend attended engineering school. They studied literature, as well as chemistry, maths and physics. The exams in preparatory school for the big competition were extremely gruelling. They learned things from first principles. The idea of formatted exams horrified my friend. He could not fathom that a maths exam would be in his words “predictable”. They are taught how to think.

    Ultimately, it enabled the European students to think critically in unfamiliar situations. This is the difference and that is what makes human intelligence so remarkable



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, the data would basically back this up. Their median standard of living is definitely higher.

    Now, it is a much worse place to be in the bottom 20% and I think the precariousness nature of the country means you can end up there easily enough. Also I wouldn't trade my style of living for theirs in a million years. But a country of a few millionaires and billionaires and impoverished underclasses it is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    When I lived there, the cost of living was less than Dublin - food, fuel, cars, houses, everything except health insurance and education was cheaper (actually primary school education was cheaper there too - there were no "voluntary" contributions, and books and IIRC copybooks were provided FOC. That might have been unique to that particular school). We weren't sure about salaries but we reckoned our peers were on 2-3 times our salaries, with much lower marginal levels of tax. But the precariousness of it all was there as an undercurrent, and I wasn't tempted to try to make the move permanent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    How much of that is public or private though? I think that matters a lot.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Maybe things have changed in the decades since I went to UCD, but I found the reverse to be true. With the exception of an optional (and uncredited in the degree) language course, every subject I took was directly related to the degree subject.

    On the other hand, I keep running into folks in the US whose college curricula force them to take something utterly unrelated to their degree. "I have a bachelor's majoring in Business Administration, with a minor in Japanese Film." In Ireland, laywers go from secondary straight to law schooling. I was ready for Kings' Inn/Blackhall Place at 21. In the US, it's considered a post-grad, they have to have a degree in something not-law before they can go to law school, the wife was late 20s by the time she got out of Rutgers Law with her psychiatry-related bachelor's degree.

    Executive orders are not laws. They control how the administration acts within the laws, more 'policy' than 'legal'. Significantly, they do not control budgets. If Congress does not provide funding for something, the ability to act on it is highly limited no matter the ink wasted on signing orders.

    They haven't 'refused', the Supreme Court has always ruled on things when it's ready. Generally speaking, difficult or controversial rulings always come out later simply because they take longer to finalise. The three opinions released yesterday were all 9-0 unanimous, and including concurrences one was 27 pages, one was 25 pages and one 9 pages. The tariff case opinions came to 127 pages in the Federal Circuit, and I don't think anyone is expecting it to be unanimous at the Supreme Court level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    US is 38 trillion in debt. So, that tells you a lot about the model they indoctrinate everyone with. And that's doesn't include the environmental or military destruction caused generating that debt. It's an enormous bad debt.

    Donald is trying to crash the dollar value so they can reduce the debt that way. And also the value of assets they hold goes up. It's a win win for the wealthy and a disaster for everyone else.

    Greenland etc etc is a sideshow from this.

    Also, they seem to be out of logical thinking and are throwing all the toys out of the pram.

    Edit ...

    38 trillion



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Beefing with the UK now over Chagos Islands. Hopefully he forgets about greenland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    Likes of Medtronic already are registered as an Irish company. In a polarised world you would likely get more multinationals splitting off an overseas subsideary to maintian access to global markets. Who are well positioned to facilitate that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    When I lived there, the cost of living was less than Dublin

    That very much depends on where you are over there.

    I have family in New York and I travelled to the US quite a bit for work, not so much these days thank god. But most places I would have been to would have had a higher cost of living, especially in places like New York, Washington or San Francisco. When you get more into the mid west, you'll see a difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump Davos speech livestream. Laughter in audience when he said so good to see so many friends and so few enemies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    How about a drinking game every time he mention Biden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭septictank


    Trump is on in Davos now, lying through his teeth as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭Field east




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I agree with some of his criticisms of open border policies in Europe, but not his description of renewable energy as the "Green new scam".



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