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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    It's time he was taken down.

    Don't leave it any longer, action needed now.

    Commit him to a mental home where he can live out his days roaring and shouting at the walls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Personally, I am willing to take some short/medium term pain in order to give the US administration and their supporters a bloody nose. The EU should go hard now, sell a large portion of the US debt we hold, apply tariffs/the anti coercion act. The current US administration respects only strength, not diplomacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭septictank


    Canadas main Oil Export/distribution is from Newfoundland, North of Halifax about 1000 miles from Greenland. The nearest US Atlantic naval port is near Boston about 1200 miles away.

    I have no idea what is in Trumps head but to me it would be very helpful to have Greenland naval ports for this reason and he has already said one of the reasons he must have Greenland is to stop all the Russian and China ships that are flocking around the artic waters, a Canadian waters blockade would sort both problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    The elected president of the United States is a rapist of both women and girls and all the BS over Greenland is a handy distraction from the fact that his DoJ have failed almost completely, as they were legally compelled, to release information which would prove it beyond doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah sure who knows what's going on in his mind. I am sure his advisors were feeding him with lots of fears. He was probably testing the water initially and he does want more security on Greenland but also wants NATO to pay their share and provide more resources. I'd imagine he'll get some deal on exclusive mining rights/licenses and shipping/ports too. However he has damaged the relationship with EU/NATO and he will probably regret that.

    I didn't watch the big press conference yesterday. I heard it was a hoot. Did he even mention a military invasion of Greenland?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    yeah, he despises our version of civilisation. He'd love to be a king or despot or something like that. He's an orange p!ss stain on the devils jockstrap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    They need to cut his microphone as soon as he starts going over time and say it's a technical issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    And thanks to both Denmark and the US being in NATO and the 1951 Treaty of Greenland he can station all the troops he wants to in Greenland already.

    This has nothing to do with defence its about mineral rights and legacy building by expanding the US that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    Today's Wednesday. He'll get bored of Greenland by Friday, then get fixated on something else over the weekend...... His mind is a etch-a-scetch toy.

    Even if he died today the fact remains that one third of the US voting adults chose chaos three times!!!!!

    Waiting for the US to snap out of it now is a waste of time. US society for the most part carry on as if there's nothing to lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Consumers can also make choices to show their opposition to what Trump is doing.

    I think EU anti trust policy needs to change to allow European tech giants to rise. While I dislike Bessent's arrogant speech, he does have a point that Europe is over-regulated. He points to barriers to trade between European states. This is true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,776 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is this a good suggestion?

    Link the American bases in Greenland to payment for Nato ,(ie charge them a hell of a lot -it is clearly that important to them )

    Supply and demand , right?

    And charge more for the US bases in Europe too ,if Europe can defend itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Based on what, though? We have real standards for our services and products. American food is abysmal for the most part. Take ractopamine for instance. It's banned in Russia, India and China but legal in the United States. It poses health risks to consumers and causes the animals to suffer.

    If the average American were truly better off than the average European, they wouldn't have voted for Trump.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Another issue is a contradiction in how the Left view the United States.

    The Left correctly criticises US foreign policy. But I'm not sure the Irish Left has realised that philosophy or economic measures alone will not change it. There has to be deterrence against this unexpected threat to democracies this US administration is engaged in. That requires a Common EU Defence in my opinion.

    Its possible that things will return to normal when another Democrat comes to power. But I personally don't think the danger will have passed. The older generation who remember World War 2 and the USSR are dying off, replaced by one that doesn't see the need for alliances. Trump is an aberration as a member of the old generation born in World War 2. There have been allegations that his father participated in was arrested at a KKK riot in 1927.

    I don't think we should burn all our bridges because in a few years we will need our US ties again if Nigel Farage tries to unpick the NI Protocol again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Lax regulation in the financial area didn't work out too well. There's no reason to think it would be any better in other industries - except for the people raking in the profits, who for some reason always seem to want less regulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    I think theres appetite for that at this stage across Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Im not saying we should go as far as the US. But we need tech giants that can compete with the likes of X, Meta to end their stranglehold on the minds of our young people.

    I heard this morning a poll that showed 10% of 18-29 year olds do not believe the Holocaust happened, and one quarte think only 2 million died in it. Also that 50% don't know about the Holocaust. Social media has a lot to do with this in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. We don't regulate for lols, we do it because it is necessary. America might have more tech unicorns and billionaires but when I look at how the bottom 50% live, it makes me deeply thankful that I was born on this side of the Atlantic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You're moving the goalposts now to oil. Canada's main oil port and refinery on east coast (import and export) is St John's, New Brunswick. Distance from Greenland is 1400 miles (straight line) and 1600+ miles for sea route.

    The Portsmouth Naval shipyard is 200 miles from St John's.

    The US do not need Greenland to block Canadian ports. St John's, Halifax, Montreal etc.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,142 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Yes, it's a new kind of religion and people didn't even realize they were being indoctrinated.

    Not just young people, old people, prime ministers, presidents, ...

    Honestly I'd say we'd be in a much better place globally without social media. It makes those with big egos a billion times worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The pre-Musk Twitter went too far in the opposite direction though with censorship favouring the Left. But now its a cesspool full of fascists including Alexander Dugin, a Russian advisor to Putin pushing Russian nationalism blended with Russian Orthodoxy. Parallels with the current alliance of MAGA and Christian fundamentalism. It also had an actual video of the Kirk assassination which I, when clicking to read the news of the assassination, was unexpectedly confronted with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Depends on how all-encompassing you want to make "better off" but it is incontrovertible that the average American is economically better off than the average European.

    Doesn't stop them being easily riled up morons when it comes to voting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's not a claim I would have objected to but if it was that simple, Trump would never have been president. You don't rock the boat when all is well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “This has nothing to do with defence its about mineral rights and legacy building by expanding the US that's it.”

    Need to keep repeating this every few pages till the message gets through to all- mineral rights definitely but equally his “legacy” of expanding American territory- it’s nothing to do with security and I’m surprised we don’t see more people say this over and over - the territory is protected by NATO - what more could you want from a security perspective. This is all Trumps ego at play, nothing more and world leaders need to call it out and stop pussy footing around



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    Not to mention any kind of coercion from the American government for them to shut up operations in Europe will be met with workarounds and other ways to keep things going. After decades and billions in investment they aren't just going to take a huge loss because the Orange Idiot demands it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    People don't like inflation. Real wages were increasing, and increasing by the most among the bottom quintile. This meant services got more expensive - Americans spend an absurd amount on what we would consider incredibly discretionary spending (food deliveries etc) precisely because they have so much more money. However, the rise in service wages (and general inflation from Covid measures) meant that was all getting much more expensive.

    You can double everyone's wages in the morning and double the cost of everything and despite being in the nominally same situation people will be angry about increased costs. Because people are idiots.

    This is not to mention that there is a large cohort of people who just like his policies centred around vindictiveness to "others".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I actually don't have a clear idea of how we should go about it in practice, but faced with a bunch of large corporations which don't want to follow the rules, and would like to remove all rules except the ones they make, I don't think starting up our own corporations which also won't follow rules is the right answer (A very poor analogy but the conduct of the British army in NI during the 70's comes to mind).

    I probably seem to have a bee in my bonnet about the pharma industry, but there's lots of evidence that many companies don't follow existing rules, and even the regulators don't follow the rules for how they are supposed to do business. Capitalism has proven in the past to be the best system for raising large numbers of people out of poverty, but it's long past the sweet spot now - like many good ideas it becomes a very bad idea if pushed to the limit with no restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,776 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Have you anything to back that up?(you say "incontrovertible")

    I don't call "living from paycheck to paycheck" well off and it seems this is very common in the States (how common comparatively in Europe ,I wonder)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Just on the Carney speech - a powerful speech, well delivered and most welcome. But it's very sad that such a speech is unexpected, and exceptional. Even in the bad old days of the cold war, there were many international statesmen who would speak such fine words, even if they didn't follow up with actions. Everyone seems to need to soften their message now in case they upset someone. It's cowardly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Same way Orcistan successfully took Ukraine? Orcistan vs NATO/EU, they lose quickly. China, you must be joking, they have their hands full taking Eastern Orcistan.



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