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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I agree to an extent in that I think Casey is the better player. I don’t think he is in better form though and he has never really impressed for Ireland to my eye. Casey realistically is still number 21 for France but would be giving Doak a start against a wales and see how he goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al


    you can say that as often as you like, but it’s not true.


    Doak is a fantastic well rounded scrumhalf in good form. Just turned 24 last month and improving all the time.

    Better kicker, more physical and quicker than Casey.


    Casey has been playing for Ireland for 5 or 6 seasons now and you could count the number of good games he has had on one hand.


    he is 27 now. It’s time to SH!t or get off the pot, as the saying goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,944 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Casey has had some good displays for Ireland. His problem, imo, is game time.

    He got a total of 31 mins in the AI's vs NZ, Australia and South Africa. It's really difficult to expect your 9 to come into the game and have an influence in those circumstances; he should've been given more time imo. (Particuarly last season when his form was better).

    The solitary start he's gotten in a non-Italy Tier 1 game was against South Africa in the first Summer Test where he went off injured, but he was good that day with the full first team around him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Rugbypass (Pat McCarry) had an interesting piece with Conor Murray and asked him his views on certain selections for the forthcoming 6 Nations (the piece went up last Friday, so before this past weekend's events).

    On the 10 discussion, he said he feels Sam Prendergast is Andy Farrell's preferred option at 10:

    "Sam has these great skills and can produce magic, but the way he sees the game is, in my opinion, the closest to the way Andy sees it".

    I thought that was an interesting comment from a guy who was in the camp and squad very recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    If there's a fifth lock I think it will be Henderson over Murray.

    I don't think Bryn Ward will be in the main squad just yet, will be a training panellist and/or in the A squad I reckon.

    Very little chance Henshaw and Aki are dropped. Henshaw will almost certainly be in, he's only 32 and was good in his biggest game of the season vs La Rochelle. Aki is more likely as he has no form, but even so it could go either way I think.

    I'd be surprised if Zac Ward and Kenny both made it. I think Kenny is likely in the same boat as Bryn Ward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I really feel we need to try get away from Henderson being in squads. He adds nothing at international leval and hasn’t for years.

    I haven’t included Henshaw as he went off injured on Saturday. With McCloskey Ringrose and him all in their 30s, no harm bringing in 2 younger lads to look to replace Aki and Henshaw.

    I’d be surprised myself if Kenny and Ward made it, but it would be the right call. With Frawley being back though I can see them naming Frawley as a full back, moving Stockdale to wing and not naming Kenny. Have been impressed with Stockdale at full back for Ulster though. I hope he stays there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭MeisterG


    Have a feeling that we are going to have a chastening experience this 6 nations - the game (and time) has moved on from this squad's peak - and I think we'll end March with two questions to ponder: (1) do we have the talent to bring through in advance of the next World Cup (2) even if so have we ditched our sentimentality to the old guard?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Henshaw's inclusion will likely depend on his injury status from the weekend. I think he would certainly have been included if he was healthy (and he still likely will be). I'd still expect McCloskey to be the starting 12 right now regardless of who else is fit though.

    I really wouldn't be surprised to see Bryn Ward included in the full squad, but ultimately think it makes not much difference. Gus McCarthy & Tom Clarkson were listed as Training Panelists in Nov '24, but both still made their debuts during that series.

    I kind of agree it would be a surprise to see both Zac Ward & JJ Kenny included, but once again, injuries might make it a possibility. Mack Hansen is out, and potentially so is Tommy O'Brien. Calvin Nash was listed last week as "returning in the coming weeks", and his form hasn't been stellar when available. Shayne Bolton is another guy injured who, if fit, might have expected to be around this squad.

    Kenny shifted to 14 to accommodate JOB on the left wing (another guy reportedly injured now) when TOB went off, so he can play there.

    We're going to name c. 6 guys back there based on recent squads, and right now it's hard to think of that many players worthy of a call up.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,517 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Zac Ward was very obviously popping up in midfield looking for carries on Saturday against Stade, he must have received the ball 5 or 6 times where he was used to fix a man and pass it wider.

    It made me wonder if he'd been given a message regarding Ireland selection, a "if you can show us you can do this, you're in" type thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Im actually happier Boyle is going to start v France. He did well at the weekend. Who's coming off the bench is the issue alright.

    At TH Clarkson is more than ready. Bench? TO'T or Beahlam if fit?

    Not a good weekend for injuries.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2026/0119/1553899-ireland-wait-on-fitness-update-for-leinster-quartet/

    I'd say youre right. Farrell will name Kenny, Bryn and Zac Ward in the 'A' squad on Wednesday.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2025/12/23/ireland-xv-to-face-england-a-under-friday-night-lights-at-thomond-park/

    France v Ireland - Thursday 5th Feb

    Ireland XV v England A - Friday 6th Feb

    I hope they are in the main squad for Italy though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Fear Farrell is going to waste another international period carrying dead weight in the team. Wingers ought to be 2 from TOB, Kenny, Ward or Baloucoune, either JOB or Stockdale for FB. Aki, Henshaw and Henderson should be dropped outright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Agree. It would be a waste if those in-form wingers arent capped. But would you start them v France?

    If TOB and Lowe are both injured his hand may be forced anyway.

    I'd have Bryn and Zac Ward in v Italy regardless of injuries.

    I wonder will Osborne be back for Italy? If so, he needs to be played at 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    If you're calling for Henshaw to be dropped outright you haven't watched much ruugby this year. it was in vogue to say he was 'finished' or whatever back in November and he's been as good as anyone outside Mccloskey since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I would, they've shown up well in Europe, certainly better than their more experienced peers. Is losing a game by playing lads out of form worse than losing a game because a rookie makes a mistake? At least they get the benefit of experience. For me, playing the young lads gives us a better chance of winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,209 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I’m sure I knew this months ago but just putting the matches up on the wall calendar in work to ensure we don’t accidentally commit to something that clashes with a match and I see it’s 3 matches and a 1 week break then 2 matches. Probably a better format although the traditionalist in me isn’t so sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He has been average at best. Offers nothing in attack, still a decent defender as long as he isn't exposed for his lack of pace. He should be dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Agree in general. Again though, henshaw and aki were pretty much dropped. McCloskey was clearly made starting 12 and was brilliant, but then got injured.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah, was agreed some time ago. I think it will be better, the middle week sandwiched between two rest weeks really dragged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    It's better for the broadcasters and probably the fans as well. But will be tougher on the players. Although it isn't really any different to the intensity of a WC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    This will be a tough 6N but there is talent in the pipeline and with a bit of luck we'll be ready by the time RWC '27 rolls around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    It might be a tough 6Ns but we'll still win our home games and probably lose our away games, so it won't be catastrophic.

    It will be the manner of the performances which will be worth keeping an eye on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭ersatz


    going in without any expectations. France, England and Italy are on the up. I’ll be interested to see whether Scotland have another gear and whether Wales already bottomed out. The bottom 4 spots will be competitive regardless. I’d be very happy if our attack looks to be building something, if we can compete in set pieces and if we bring in some new players who look the part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,074 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its to Ireland's advantage, then, to be playing our Round 1 game on a Thursday night.

    As much as conceding Thursday night 6N fixtures, in principle, makes me want to vomit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I think Farrell has left it too late for 2027. Too many windows wasted digging his heels in and refusing to evolve the squad. Too much work to do and too few games between now and the World Cup. We’ll be relying on the likes of Furlong, Beirne, Aki, Henshaw, Lowe, VDF, JGP and Lowe making it and not declining too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I'm not worried about Beirne, JGP and VDF but Aki, Henshaw, Lowe and Tadgh are twilight players. 20 odd tests left to get guys involved isn't too few. He has two seasons to work with, I can't imagine other top teams would think thats too little runway. Maybe he doesn't have the players, but he has time. More worrying is what kind of game he's trying to play, that wasn't clear from Novemner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Jelly Welly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭50HX


    I think its 14 games, take Englanf & France x 2 that leaves 10 test games.

    That's not a lot to unearth test level players & get them some way proven to go to a WC.

    Its pointing to an over reliance on an ageing squad for 27....hope he can get it out of them.

    I hope we see the play style develop in this 6N's...we haven't really adapted to the kick contestables as well as other teams.

    England are good bit ahead of us in that regard.

    It could be a sticky 6 nations if things go badly wrong in Paris considering the injuries we are going there with....no Keenan at club level this weekend either



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    10 6N, 3 summer tests, 4 Autumn, whatever summer tour we do next year.

    There is a reasonable chance we don't rely on any of Henshaw, Aki, Lowe or Furlong already in this 6N so it is a bit silly to talk about relying on them in the 2027 world cup though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭50HX


    Lets wait and see who plays what out of. that first before suggesting its silly or not.

    The most recent tests in Autumn indicated we did rely on those 4 esp Furlong & Lowe



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