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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    What do you mean by freed exactly. Beware of falling for propaganda that they( Iranians) are only waiting to embrace secular western democracy. I suspect these protests are more about the economic misery brought about sanctions rather than a rejection of Islam. We see this so often spouted that if the West facilitates regime change in the Middle East the people will embrace secular democracy. You'd swear from some media reports the descendents of the Shah are the government in waiting because they have broad popular support in Iran

    Also If we look at how Iraq has been governed over the last 20 years i am not convinced by the idea that a secular western democracy will take hold in Iran post the Ayatollah. Of course everyone will move on and forget everything if the next government is still Islamic in nature provided they are pro western. Isn't it strange how islamic autocratic governments that are pro western don't seem to get as much attention for their human rights abuses. With this in mind I notice not too many were expressing solidarity with the protestors that were murdered by the Saudis in Bahrain a few years back. Kier Starmer will express solidarity with the opressed then the next day meet MBS. The reality is the world runs on double standards and bs. You seem to think it would be somehow all different if women ran the world. I am not convinced by that at all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    One thing is sure: if women had the power we wouldn't have 50 percent of the human race treated as products to be owned by the other 50 percent based on some moronic texts written thousands of years ago. Surely you would admit that would be progress?

    But as for your original question: by "freed" I mean basic human rights for everyone, the chance to plan one's own destiny at least to some degree, a life not lived in total poverty because your leaders would rather funnel wealth into wars and terror organisations instead of serving the people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Okay toppled and imprisoned might actually be preferable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yea, if you can find me a sentence where I defended Israel killing legit protestors, please quote me, otherwise, you are making things up to distract from the fact that you think its OK for the Iranian regime to confiscate internet devices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    5 years?

    What makes you think Israel will cease to exist in 5 years and how will that happen, exactly.
    Israel is the strongest military in the region, backed by the strongest military in the world. So, tell us how it will happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Ah yes Mark, the thread is littered with your condemnation of the killing of innocent women and children.
    Your condemnation of the killing of innocent civilians is purely determined by who is killing them.
    You didn’t condemn the killing of over 400 Iranian civilians by Israel in their sneak attack.
    If you have condemned these Israeli killings just show me where and I will withdraw my charge of abject hypocrisy.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    I would have to go back & read up about Russian AA performance in June and about the allegations that settler colony’s aircraft controlling the skies over Iran. Might do later.

    At the time I treated anything the imperialist militaries publicly claimed as totally false BS until proven otherwise by sources that have a track record of telling the truth.

    I think Ir missile stock was 20,000 of ballistic & hyper at the start of the war. This has been their largely secret defence strategy being built for decades – make an attack too costly for US/IL. Total annihilation is a pretty high cost.

    I haven’t read Confessions but watched long youtubes of his seminars on the book, so I have a good idea of his experiences. There’s lots of whistleblowers to how power really works when you add them all up.
    Another recommend - is the Djakarta Method by Vincent Bevins.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    That was just an impotent, frustrated, rant last night.
    I agree – all the military powers of Europe would join the US in fighting any Iran (or Iran coalition) that was rolling West after having eliminated most or all of Israels military infrastructure with missiles.
    Doesn’t it just expose European countries & the US as fake democracies – the notion of a Genocide carried out & protected by Democracies!

    What a delusion (not that the less intensive, slow motion British enabled killing since 1917 & 1948 weren’t a genocide also).

    Few people in the region would have the stomach for the scale of war required -against its Western protectors- to eliminate that anti-human pit of hell.

    It would take bypassing the UN and a coalition say, 40 armies of the Global South against the 30 Armies of the West to destroy the West’s alien hostile presence in the Arab world. There were initial talks & plans by Egypt and other GS countries to do exactly this after the 1967 war but they were not capable then.
    They are capable now but I don’t think there is the stomach for it either.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    I’d agree and given above – its now looking more like this supposed US/IL attack on Iran around now was just a feign or a bluff to assist & inspire the CIA/Mossad colour revolution attempt on the ground?

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Is there anywhere that women are more commodified than in Western countries?

    Women have the right to vote and run for office in Iran as I am sure you were aware. A woman served as vice president of Iran before a woman served as vice president in the US. The US senate had less female members (1-2%) than the Iranian parliament until the 90’s.

    If the Iranian people are to be free as you say they must be free of outside interference. This regime is the first in generations that has come to power by the will of the Iranian people, 98% support in the 1979 referendum. Instead of being installed then deposed by a western government.
    Millions of people live in poverty in the US while their government spends billions on foreign wars. US citizens are denied healthcare that they can’t afford or bankrupted by healthcare while their government spends US intends to spend $1.5 trillion on new weapons. No Iranian is bankrupted by health costs.

    Iran has spent money on defence because powerful western countries are intent on destroying it.
    The US, UK, France etc supplied arms and support to Saddam Hussein when he attacked Iran. Germany sent the chemicals for chemical weapons which killed thousands.
    The US and Israel have funnellled billions of dollars into terror organisations from Nicaragua to Afghanistan to Lebanon and Syria to Italy with Operation Gladio.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Is there anywhere that women are more commodified than in Western countries?

    Women have the right to vote and run for office in Iran as I am sure you were aware. A woman served as vice president of Iran before a woman served as vice president in the US. The US senate had less female members (1-2%) than the Iranian parliament until the 90’s.

    Yeah, apart from the fact that an estimated over 60 women were executed last year, they dont have the same legal rights as men and boys, "honour killings" are a regular occurrence, female children are forced into marriage to older men and punished for fighting back against rape and domestic violence, and they can be kidnapped, imprisoned, beaten and killed for the "crime" of showing their hair after being stalked by the morality police, Iran is a great place for women and us in the west have it so much worse 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Putin - points at cherry picked ancient maps declaring Russia owns land currently outside it's borders.

    US - Here's some debt inherited from the Russian empire.

    ** crickets **

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yet women are more than 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US than in Iran. I’m sure it’s little consolation to murder victims the reasons they are killed.
    Honour killings happen in the US also.
    Iran has the same legal marriage age as that bastion of backwardness New Hampshire, 13 and higher than Massachusetts, 12. Of course some US states have no minimum marriage age at all.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Ironically, for all your talk of Nazis, it is your own position that is more closely aligned with that of the Third Reich. Indeed, your own view could have been taken straight out of Mein Kampf.

    It is a known fact that the first anti-Zionists had a lot in common with the Nazis to the point where the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an ally of the Nazi regime, the latter making it clear they intended to bring the "Final solution" to the MENA region as part of a broader desire to "decolonise" the Middle East.

    Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia

    Of course, it would be fruitless to point out to someone like you that at least 3/4 of the Mizrahi Jews (i.e. those Jews who are of MENA blood) live in Israel.

    Mizrahi Jews - Wikipedia

    Are the Mizrahi "Euro settler colonialists?"

    BTW since you accuse all Jews in Israel of being "settler colonialists" where is the Jewish homeland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    I didn't mention Jews anywhere - the settler colonists are mostly Europeans but come from scores of countries. This colony is pure raw imperialism - not interested in the cover story that imperialists concocted to waste everybody's time with for the last 140 years.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭SeanW


    You didn't need to - Israel has lots of Jews in it - that's the reason for Israel's existence. And I stand over my view that Hitler would have agreed with a lot of your points, were he still alive.

    Is every Jew in Israel a "settler colonialist" according to you?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I presume, as a supporter of Ukrainian nationalism, you acknowledge that while some Palestinian and Ukrainian nationalists allied with the Nazis during WW2. The British appointed Grand Mufti’s links with the Nazis pale in comparison with the extent of the Ukrainian participation and direct involvement in the Holocaust.
    Both groups were motivated by nationalism and collaboration was by no means universal. You would be at pains to nuance the record of Ukrainians but seek to label Palestinian Arabs as Nazi supporters.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If the leadership of any ME country had to fall I wonder which one would likely offer a better degree of peace in the area?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What about the rights of Palestinian women and childrern, doctors, medics, ambulance crews in Gaza under the Israelis ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    There isn't one, it's a religion, it's like asking where's the Catholic or protestant homeland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I dont know what youre talking about. Not sure where youre getting your information from (deathtoamerica.ir is it? Lol) But the legal age for marriage in New Hampshire (which could hardly be described as "backwards" being one of the most affluent and highly educated states) is 18, as is Massachusetts. 20% of all murders in Iran are honour killings, in the US they are much rarer but would be committed by the same demographic as in Iran. And good luck to finding an accurate number of female murders in Iran, what is reported is the tip of the iceberg, mainly because women and girls are considered disposable property and aren't seen as fully human like men are by a good chunk of the population, so I highly doubt your claim that women are more likely to be murdered in the US is accurate either

    If you find yourself defending child marriage and declaring iran a bastion of womens rights and safety, you might want to give your head a wobble.

    I'll take my chances in America, where I won't be beaten to death for exposing my hair and where my daughter wont be married off to an elderly man, thanks 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭SeanW


    There are dozens of countries with the crescent moon on their flag (or are Islamic majority), and precisely one with a star of David. Guess which one gets vilified beyond all proportion to reality?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes. Saudi Arabia. Where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The one committing Genocide and war crimes as well as stealing land ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    That would be like me asking you -
    “What is your opinion of Frantz Fanon’s – Wretched of the Earth”

    It’s assuming you had read it or even care in the first place.

    Jewish focus Vs imperialist focus seem to be mutually exclusive analyses.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Never heard of Frantz Fanon. But you accuse the people of Israel of being "Euro Nazi settler colonialists" or something.

    Does this extend to the Mizrahi Jews who are native to the MENA region?

    And to the Jews there writ large, where is their homeland, their metropolitan state?

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