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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2025/2026 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    a slight shift amongst the traditional models overnight towards what the AI models and the JMA have been persistently showing i.e. Eurasian cold pool shifting westward towards Ireland by late next weekend. Improved blocking (Scandi to Greenland) being key.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    I don't think it's off topic, it's a fascinating discussion. We are entering a new era of forecasting with AI and it's going to be interesting to see how good it gets in the coming few years.

    As someone alluded to earlier - the roller coaster could be killed off because of it though, pity. That was alot of fun and heartbreak too!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Met Éireann's final sentence in its forecast is a fair refection of the medium to long range prospects i.e. 'signal'. The chances of a cold spell are heightened compared to normal.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The JMA 06Z run (extending to 132 hours) continues to favour a more southerly-tracking jet stream, with heights bridging from Greenland through Scandinavia. The GFS op run is fully zonal with cool to cold westerly winds. Awaiting the GEFS ensembles.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The 6z GEFS mean differs from the 0z with a stronger linkage of heights from Scandinavia through to Greenland.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Hopefully an interesting week of model watching coming up.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    hopefully we start to firm up a bit more with a proper easterly, it's been frustratingly slow, this one is certainly a slow burner.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    ECMWF AI 6z update. The 'donut' as @sryanbruen calls it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,813 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    UKMO medium-range (to 29th) and long-range are settling on a strong Scandi High and an energised easterly driven by anticyclonic systems diving south, in line with that ECMWF.

    Will be interesting to see how long that picture holds on, its still at about +384, so very much a trend watch. If there is model coalesence at about +96, then we may have a ballgame.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Well it looks certainly more seasonal weather out to the 1st Feb, a lot of cold weather from +120hrs ( and cold conditions in place up till then ) and it would seem that Ireland could be in that typical boundary area between Atlantic systems and cold airmass both from the NW /N and from the NE /E.

    Both GFS and ECM I think showing it could get active coming in from the Atlantic giving wet /wintry conditions at times , maybe a few deep LP systems nearby with associated fronts coming up against cold airmass in place either from the NW/N or NE/E making it feel very cold in that damp cold airmass, and much scrutiny if it will be rain /sleet/ hail or snow or all 😁 ,certainly will need the heating over the coming weeks.

    The dividing line of the Polar front would seem to be close to us and to the S of us at times and the Jet looks fired up too so could get a lot of weather at times perhaps. The trend I think is at least on the colder side , with very cold conditions from an Easterly component possible but certainly not definite ( maybe less than 30% perhaps IMO ) and maybe short lived if at all, if anything the models in general ( apart from Wolfe's JMA 😅 ) seem to be just keeping cold from the E at bay and that bit out of reach.

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    Might look something like this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    The whole setup looks very similar from this time of year in 2013. Meteorite's above possible forecast is actually mirroring what happened that year. Plenty of cold mixing between the North Atlantic and the Easterly component when the Jet dives south and then the odd wobble north developing storm peaks. There was plenty of snowy spells, cold driving rain and sleet, storms and frost. I just wouldn't like the cold to persist into April like it did in 2013.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Time to put some petrol on the fire and hope models explode with an easterly for at least 5 days



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I would love if we could get a proper unstable decent easterly for like a week or so and then be done with the cold, rather than the current outlook of it staying cold with cold and Atlantic air meeting colder continental or artic air leading to a wintry mix, sometimes rain, sometimes sleet or snow and it could go on for weeks, very expensive heating and generally unpleasant to be outside in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    And the GFS 12z looks like it is giving us the AI style slider….

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    EDIT:

    Two days later and it's STILL all sliding, so a slower route to cold than if the flow nudged more straight easterly with a quicker slide. But, deep cold still marching west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Not only is there a battle between the Atlantic and the High pressure to our north east its like also a battle between the Ai models and the standard ones . Would be a big win for the Ai models if they end up getting this right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    Slider lows can be kind and they can be so cruel. They're a lottery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Exactly, a proper easterly for a few days or nothing. The drier type of snow that when you leave a footprint the compacted snow stays white rather than slush. John.icy's chart above just gives us that cold muck. Reading back on my own records of 2013 ,it's not pretty even though there was some snow. We're never happy 😊

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The UK including Northern Ireland did way better for snow than we did in March 2013. March 2013 was cold and we did have several snowy nights but I don't remember any of the lying snow still on the ground past midday and that massive snow event for Northern Ireland was a 48 hour cold rain event of misery for us. I hope we are not in for a repeat of this over the next few weeks.

    The majority of the model output excluding the AI models is going for no man's land or nuisance cold, I'm far from being sold on a proper easterly for the time being.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    A nice new slider thingy added to METEOCIEL (at bottom of chart)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    Read that before analysing the image and thought there was a specific 'slider low' identifier added! 🤣

    That 12Z GFS run is decent, just need things to be a smidgin colder and we're rocking.

    Meath snow-shield breached:

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The thing that I'm finding the most interesting in the models is not the lack of easterlies in the main model output or the raging easterlies in the AI models but the significant warming over North America with a potential split in the PV.

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    It's been showing this for several days now and if this was to verify, the second half of February could be very interesting.

    If the current AI model output ends in a bust which it could easily do, we have the above for some hope for the final weeks of winter. If all else fails this is the last throw of the dice for winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bazlers


    A cant imagine anyone would be interested unless we were to get another storm Emma scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That's highly unlikely. That was a unique ssw. This proposed warming event could end up in a stretched pv rather than a split in any case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Icon has got this:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bazlers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Ros4Sam24


    Gfs 18z,

    Heights between Greenland and Iceland ✅

    Trough over Europe and jet going south ✅

    Cold flooding east met by the Atlantic, possible snow events ✅

    It’s the Gfs 18z at day 9 ❌

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    The rollercoaster is only beginning, don’t get too attached to any outcome if you want to keep your sanity 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    GFS 18Z.

    Snowfall in the West and Northwest on Wednesday, then portions of the Southwest and also East coast on Friday. On Saturday, the front moves back from the east giving more widespread snow.

    A slider low next Monday brings snow inland south and southeast. Then Wednesday (28th) alot of snow north of Sligo-Dundalk.

    Reading all of that - it portrays that Ireland is on the edge of cold from the east and moisture from the Atlantic. One interesting aspect across not only this run, but many runs this week is that the Atlantic air isn't a mild source either.

    The take-away from all of this is that, there are alot of knife-edge snow events coming from midweek onwards. A weak Atlantic meets a weak easterly.

    What could go wrong?

    I'd take it over dartboard lows winding up and firing themselves at Ireland any day of the week.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The PV is getting destroyed on the 18z

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    Why is there no love for this on here, we would normally be climbing over each other in excitement to see a chart like this in any winter. Granted if this verifies and an effect takes place it would be in the second half of February but if we're still chasing the first snow flake of winter by then this might be the only thing that delivers so I'm keeping an eye on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bazlers


    18-11-2025 06:36AM edited November 2025

    As the Stratosphere is in the toaster at such an early phase of winter/autumn (which is quiet unique) i think it dserves its own thread. Another personal opinión but the teleconnections overall are some of the best I have ever seen. Infact Carbsberg could not do better. Wheather this actually projects at ground level is another thing and it all could dissipate like a fart in the night.

    Was left with egg on my facec with this one too. As difficult it is to forecast an Eastely the strat is mind blowingly obtuse to forecast what will happen at ground level. If this helps to enhance the currently forecasted easterly or increase longevity of aa forecasted cold spell great. For me if we are looking for this save winter when my thoughts are to spring I would have to decline. Unless, as I said it was going to be historic in nature.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Some tasty charts this morning. Most inc the gfs showing an easterly but all different evolutions



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