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United States as a Rogue state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Pathetic watching that interview on Air Force One with his comment about Denmark beefing up its defence in Greenland " they have added one dogsled !" .

    The men beside him , presumably intelligent men, giggling and guffawing to this blatant ignorant ,provocative language .

    Surely if they are looking for some sort of deal with Denmark over Greenland some diplomacy would be required.

    It's shocking to hear him and Hegseth and others talking about other countries , their allies in the tone and language they use after years of diplomacy .

    Where have all the sensible grown ups gone ? It's a cabinet of teenagers afraid to stand up to the big bully and the only language he understands is the language of those inane war games movies that the US are famous for churning out .

    I can't see Europe siding with China and India except in limited economic terms . Not Russia because their of their aggression towards Europe . Canada has made moves to be allied with Europe and is no friend of America since Trump .

    I don't think we would be a threat militarily to the US if it came to that but he is very foolish to be alienating so many near neighbours .

    I agree with the US that Europe needs to beef up their defences to take some of the pressure off them ,but why push your allies towards your enemies ?

    What is his endgame ..has he even thought that far ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sure that now entirely fits in with this new rhetoric of "we' re going to take them out, take them over and run their country . International laws , any laws , don't apply to me " .

    It's like an ever running , exciting tv show for many , I would guess those supporting it , and those appalled by it are either keeping scthum or leaving the country to live elsewhere .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    He maintained close ties with Epstein for years after Epstein was first imprisoned for sex crimes with minors. If you want to call that "naive", fair enough. I suspect others would be less generous.

    Same applies to his comments praising Russian "restraint" in Ukraine.

    Doesn't mean some of his criticism of the US isn't valid, but he strikes me as quite an unpleasant individual who is guided far more by ideology than any real interest in opposing power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Hardly as there's plenty of Jews in Congress and plenty funded by AIPAC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    He right though.

    The chickens are coming home to roost for Europe now.. delighted to see it.

    EU is a failed institution and that will now be proven when he takes Greenland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    You're delighted to see the end of NATO?

    How does that benefit you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    'Chickens' is accurate though (rest of post is sh*t).

    EU politicians are acting like cowards. Would love to see a single person tell Trump and his ejet cronies to f*ck off straight to their face.

    He is only allowed act like this because we have allowed him too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Would love it too but think what would happen: he'd leave NATO immediately and out of sheer spite would probably sign a cooperation treaty with Russia.

    My question about Europe is: are we really working behind the scenes to try and establish independence from the US? Or just muddling through the next 3 years and hoping things get back to "normal" when Trump is gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Do you genuinely think Trump would stand down because Michael Martin told him to?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Could Europe ever get to the point of saying it will only buy oil and gas in Euros? Europe needs to do something to reduce the power of the US and the dollar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    As for Greenland itself, I fully buy into the idea that Trump thinks the Mercator projection of Greenland is its true size. Yes, Greenland is massive, but it isn't the size of Africa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭King Power Fox


    The EU will be the rock on which Trump will fail. They are the only sane buffer zone between East and West now. When thinks get worse you will see Europe come together more. They did not throw Ireland under the bus during Brexit. I can see the UK talking anout coming back in 5-10 years. The GOP will be wiped out in November mid terms after yesterday's disgraceful carry on in Minneasota, I can't see how any Trump GOP backed candidates will get elected in swing or close states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    The EU is a stagnant institution.

    Every single crisis they have faced for the last 20 years they have failed at.

    Debt Crisis, Migration Crisis, Covid-19, Russia, Gaza, Brexit, Climate, Energy.

    It's pathetic and this empty vacuum has allowed a strongman like Trump to bully them no end.

    No wait maybe Starmer, Macron and whoever is bleeding in charge of Germany will sort it. lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    More MAGA sloganeering with no depth or detail whatsoever. America has the most covid deaths at over one million thanks in large part to the toxic imbecile being a key hub for misinformation and advocating injecting bleach.

    I'll just dismiss the rest of these as being wrong since you seem to have done no research of any kind.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Any ideas, then? America wants to break up the EU and you support that. What then, do you reckon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What would happen when they stopped laughing and said no, refuse to buy it ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They are utter cowards. Trump knew they were weak when they did very little about the genocide in Gaza. They just talked. Trumps treatment of the ICC should have had made the EU leaders angry but we have no honest leaders.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    China would be delighted to accept Euro instead of the dollar, Canada would probably go along just to stick it to the US, Saudi Arabia could certainly be persuaded through hatred of the US and increasing business ties to Europe and could well bring a lot of the rest of OPEC along with them, Euro may well suit Norway, UK have closer ties to EU than the US even post-Brexit.

    Once your Russian friends are beaten back into their own borders and agree to reparitions for Ukraine, they'll be too desperate for foreign currency and won't be in a position to negotiate.

    The USA has sacrificed it's soft power by electing Trump. We might end up paying slightly more for oil/gas as a result of the move but when we're possibly already at peak oil and prices are currently very low, that could well be a price worth paying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think it's more that the US under Trump has turned away from liberal democracy. That is a system of government and general ethos which it seeks to dismantle at home and no longer protect abroad. The less that western European countries get on board with this, the more Trump's USA will seek to bully them and make them supplicate, or else be outright antagonistic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Merkel failed re migration, she did a poor job. Agree.

    Covid-19: The EU faired best out of all the worlds trading blocs.

    Russian situation: agree.

    Gaza: agree, but EU sentiments are changing.

    Brexit: I'm not sure how you think the EU fked up. It's the brits fault they left the EU. The EU supported Ireland and EU interests to be fair to them.

    The EU does a lot of good, and bad/not so good.

    Although the EU is not a perfect institution, it is leagues ahead of the sh1t heap across the Atlantic, and most of Asia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Before 2008, the EU controlled 25.6% of the world's GDP, producing $16 trillion. Today it stands at 13.2% with a $20 trillion GDP.

    The United States GDP grew from $15 Trillion to $30 Trillion. They still have around a 25% share of global GDP.

    Crazy thought but how about going back to being an economic union...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    NATO is practically non functioning as it is so that really isn't a factor.

    If I was leader I wouldn't even interact with the man out of sheer spite.

    Trump isn't playing the same game as everyone else - its time we recognised this and fought fire with fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It would be good if you added some thoughts. It's easy to talk about the past. A child could do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The world is moving away from Western currencies in trade, it's been going on slowly for a while. Quite a lot of the global majority are now looking to trade in their own. They have set up payment systems to take away the risk of sanctions and disruption. It will become more normal in the next 5 years or so.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    GDP is a poor indicator of economic success (as we well know in Ireland with our own bloated GDP figure). The US figures are also extremely flattering due to the current AI bubble.

    In terms of quality of life, the US lags desperately behind Western Europe and is being increasingly overtaken by Eastern European nations in measures of healthcare, education, work/life balance, cost of living, happiness etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Measure it any way you want lad and you will get a similar output.

    "In terms of quality of life, the US lags desperately behind Western Europe"

    If you take the below source Italy is 21, America is 22, Singapore is 23, South Korea 27, UAW 28

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life

    You would swear the US is Guatemala the way people go on in here. No its the most prosperous country on earth with all the same social issues we even have here in Ireland minus the gun violence etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Nice cherrypick of Italy (one of the poorest countries in Western Europe) to compare America with, citing an American website where the vast majority of the top 20 countries in that article are, in fact, European.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    There's an opinion, on Reddit, that De Gaulle had the yanks tweaked back in the 40's as being imperialist bully buys. He pulled France out of NATO and developed an independent nuclear program in spite of their objections.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. It's the 50s. Specifically, the Suez debacle. It taught him that the US, and to a lesser extent the UK, couldn't be trusted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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