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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    I bought a really nice wenling heifer off erebos lm6172 a few months ago. Supposed to be very good for milk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    best of luck to her. He supposed be good easy calving limousin bull. Did you buy her for breeding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    Aubracs in general are easy calved, lively and very hardy with low birthweights. I haven’t used AI on heifers but I’ve had two stock bulls run with heifers and no trouble. I was mostly AU last year and it was the easiest calving season I’ve ever had. That said i still AI’d most of my heifers with AA this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    and what are the quality of the weanlings off the aubracs would they as good a quality as limousin? I would love to have an aubrac heifer I think there nice looking, but I would probably prefer to buy one than use ai



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Have 2 AUX heifers off 2 first calvers. Lacking height but good length and quality. Short gestation, lively & quiet. I’ve them served to SA to calve @24M



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    No they wouldn’t be on the same size as a LM or CH. With the right breeding they can bring good muscle get a high grade. One of my stock bulls had an NT821 gene which was a great cross on non carrier Angus/Hereford type cattle. The heifers will be more than big enough to calve down 24 months and the bull + bullock weanlings are getting good ADG but you’d be disappointed expecting LM gains.

    I got into Aubracs for replacements. Fertility and calving ability are their biggest traits. Now that I’ve 20 I’m going to AI them to bigger LM and CH. I’ve a few to Shannon Stan + Grenache due in March and going to try LM Rembrandt + Rolex + Rigby and CH Recif + Omega this season.


    They are also very docile animals. AI tech did a bunch of pedigrees here and said he’s never seen such quiet animals in his life.


    Downsides the pedigrees are very hard to catch in heat if you aren’t using a stock bull. They often come in heat at night so most lads use a teaser bull. I’ll be syncing all my cows in future. They are short animals and slow to grow but they do make powerful cows. The bullocks I sold through the mart did well and there was really good interest in the heifers. They are slowly growing in popularity but the LM/CH/BB will bring that extra 20-40c a Kg on breed alone in the marts, sometimes regardless of condition.


    There’s a lot of lads breeding them so your best bet would be to buy a weanling rather than AI and get a few bulls you wish were heifers or a different breed.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    best of luck with them you have the numbers to see what they are really like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    be great to see how they turn out for you so. They calving in the spring?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


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    Powerful Proper heifer calf out of a second calver. Don't know where she brought the colour from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    📣📣 2026 Beef Directory is Online Now! 📣📣 - Dovea AI

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1309137541257299&set=a.555373913300336

    Post edited by patsy_mccabe on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    Serious selection of Belgian Blues.

    Drumline S has some high figures, I'll be interested how the expected daughter figures look in the March evaluation.
    Claddagh McCabe having two copies of Q204X is a really good guarantee for big progeny. Same with Cartonfree Unbelievable.

    Spoilt for choice if you are with Dovea and I can see why people move to using them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I’d agree with you seem to have a great line up off blues. Havn’t heard much from drumline s but looks the part in fairness. McCabe seems the business infairness. Pg are missing that in fairness they need a double q or double nt limousin bull. I have a Rolex calf of a blue cow and missed the nt from both the cow and the bull, still a nice heifer calf but doesn’t have that X factor I was after. But will probably be kept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭adne


    New Stock bull Tonka x Sympa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Nice bull. Not too many Tonka and Sympa straws going around now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭adne


    Yeah. My thinking is there well proven at this stage .. 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    looks good. He looks like he knows what a meal bucket is for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Baalbec10


    A great video yesterday from Dara Walton on his calvings so far. Its very interesting to see the breeding of his cows and the Dovea bulls he uses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    yeah it was great I thought as well. I watched O'Neill latest video there new tank is full and the weather is not playing ball for them, they only have the cows in it a few weeks they must have too small a tank built for that new shed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    Cheers for the recommendations lads. I'll check those videos out.

    I've some plain cows I won't be breeding replacements from. They could really do with the certainty a double gene bull brings but without the calving difficult of a blue. That's the luck of the draw with one gene unfortunately. I've a cow with an NT gene who always has heifer calves but never passes the gene on. Maybe this year she finally will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    The Prestige Beef page on Facebook posted this

    "Moussours test station update

    This week in the Moussours test Station the heifers are being evaluated for milk production kgs at 120 days calved .

    The calves are separated from the mothers morning and evening . The calves are weighed empty before suckling and again after suckling the difference in the 2 weights is the actual kgs of milk produced .

    This years heifers ranged from 3.5 kgs to 10 kgs with the average being 7kgs of milk .

    The average growth per calf at 120 days is 1042 grams / day without any creep on heifers calved at 2 years old .

    The bull with the best daughters for kgs of milk combined with the 120 day calf weight will get the highest milk index at this stage .

    The bull with the lowest milk production in his daughters will be eliminated from the progeny maternal test programme.

    The bull with the 9/10 kg of Milk daughters is what this test is trying to identify.

    Your Nebbiolo , Poumba , Malijai , Moebius , Grenache , Erebos etc .. all excelled for milk production at 120 days .

    Remember if we concentrate to much on confirmation and heavy muscling without any thought for milk we are a road to no town as a breed … the balance must be corrected .

    The majority of show type ai sires are a minus kgs of Milk …

    The daughters are really not suitable for breeding in the real world …

    We look forward to recommending 4 new Crealim elite maternal sires in the coming week "


    Now that is how you calculate an accurate milk yield and give the customers the confidence to pick that bull. It also further shows the French's dedication to breeding. It's also taking into account the quality of milk, not just the quantity. Based on November ICBF figures:

    Nebbiolo has 8.90 kg with 73% reliability
    Poumba has 4.40 kg at 41% reliability
    Malijai has 3.80 kg with 63% reliability

    Moebius hás 3.40 kg with 60% reliability

    Grenace has 4.70 kg at 95% reliability
    Erebos has 8.20 kg at at 86% reliability

    ICBF says the Limousin average is -0.03 Kgs so Nebbiolo and Erebos would really solve any milk problems in your herd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    Which limo bulls would suit tall rangey cows



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    to breed an export weanling or replacement heifers

    which ai company are you with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    go with ur Rolex or somebull. Get abit more out of them if ur dealing with pg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    Doing my own ai, have some that are very milky, would like to get some replacement off the quiet fertile ones, the rest for export



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    have to same u can still go with your Rolex and somebull. But I am very impressed with the quality of the Rembrandt calves I have. I only have two and both are heifers but have something sweet about them that would make nice heifers to keep. I haven’t used much of him since went with more terminal bulls but maybe I should have



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i have some mccabes and i really like them

    drumline s 1185 looks to be breeding very well



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Gamin (zgm) with Bova. Use on very milky cows.

    Dovea - Drumline S1185. Glenford Sam , new bull but good breeding in him.

    Munster/Pg - Rembrandt, Shannon Samurai. I've 2 calves from him, smallish thick calves but not the quietest.

    I'd say any of the Tomchoice bulls would suit but I wouldn't go mad on them. Fertility doesn't seem great.



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