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Knock Airport

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Donal Healy from the airport predicting record passenger numbers of over 900k for the year on Mid West earlier. That's a decent increase considering there has only been one new route, which was a summer seasonal route on a 70 seater plane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    He also said Eirtrade have a new planning application lodged for a new hanger (previous one was granted but nothing was done). This is good news.

    Still feel further infrastructure expansion is needed to break the 1 million barrier. Surly an expanded apron must be next in the cards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    I'm surprised it's not a bigger issue locally to be honest, the place is creaking at peak times.

    Especially when you hear the amount of noise that comes out of Waterford looking for an expansion to the airport there when they don't have a single passenger service and haven't for years. The west is far too slow to push for development that is genuinely warranted in the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Are they currently prevented from going over the 1 million mark because they'd lose their regional grant funding status? Or will that threshold be extended as needed to accommodate the airport? Realistically one more new route could take them over the million mark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    That’s what’s said locally…they can’t go over the million mark or they will lose the government regional airports grant. The politicians here never mention this though, waffling on about their support for the airport.

    Michael O Leary has even said the funding cap should be raised. So I reckon no more routes until this cap is lifted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭john boye


    Funny how government funding is OK sometimes (when it suits your airline).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Without it in some shape or form every airport in the state other than Dublin would close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭lotusm


    One way it could easily go over the 1m mark is especially on london routes is to extend opening hours open. This would increase day to day costs however it would really drive up passengers numbers alot. The amount of people I hear that they have to go to shannon or Dublin complaining that there is not later flights in knock is increasing all the time ,even if last flight came in at 8pm... The demand is there on existing routes without doubt... if knock management is really serious about growing pax numbers, it has to convince ryanair though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Is it not almost the other way around? I'd say Ryanair would happily run services from London and the north of England at 8 or 9 at night. But it would massively increase the staffing costs for the airport. I think it's more the airport that doesn't want to do it rather than Ryanair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    Would Ryanair not need to base aircraft there to have those red eye and late evening flights? I know MOL has mentioned it before but it’s hard to gauge if he was serious or just ramping pressure on government.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I believe they previously had an aircraft and crew based in Kerry?! So it’s possible but I’d say would come down to airport incentives and obviously the extended opening hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Not necessarily. Ryanair could easily run an 7pm flight from Stansted or Luton to get into Knock at around 8:30pm. Then back out at around 9pm to return to the London area by 10:30pm. That would be operated by an English based aircraft and crew. However, as I understand it, it's Knock rather than Ryanair that are resisting operations at that time of night for cost reasons. It's much cheaper for the airport to run all the services within roughly a 12 hour period from 7am to 7pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭Masala


    The problem in opening up late for Ryanair for 1 flight ( over and above the costs of staffing etc ) is that Ryanair could easily shift other morning / evening flight out to a late evening leaving huge gaps in the middle of the day with nothing happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    They won't lose the grants, but airports with 1m to 3m passengers get lower levels of aid than smaller airports. So definitely an issue for Knock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    Badly needed. First heard of the apron extension about 5 years ago. Hopefully the passenger cap as regards passengers numbers and funding for regional airports is increased. Otherwise I doubt the airport will look to increase past one million passengers every and risk losing government funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Is this the proposal that was brought forward previously with the pier being built out into the existing apron - or a different scaled back proposal? It's a pity there isn't more detail in the article. Is there not also an issue with fuel bunds on the far side of the apron that would be very costly to move - or are they expanding north into the car hire area instead as a cheaper option?

    It's tight enough on the existing apron to fit three aircraft as it is. I can see how, with Ryanair's longer and higher capacity Max 10s coming in the near future, they need to expand it in the short term.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I’d have thought more stands behind where the statue is would be a fairly straightforward development?
    Is that where the fuel is ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    No, the fuel is stored directly opposite the terminal building beyond the far end of the apron, you're looking out at it when you look out from the upstairs viewing area. The original plan was to extend the apron over there and have a pier extending out into the middle of the existing apron that all the aircraft would park around. But it was very expensive to do the whole project.

    I'm wondering if they're maybe now looking at a cheaper option to extend north beyond where the statue is and into the current hire car parking area, and relocate the hire cars somewhere else. That would probably be less expensive but would be quite exposed for passengers, they'd maybe need another of those covered walkways for people to walk through back to the terminal building. I think there's a flight school building up there that would have to go too for it to happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,766 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    I would say as you look out from upstairs extend north, move the Aeroclub hanger and plenty of room then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


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    Looking at this it seems it would make sense to expand over to where the car hire is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    That's my reading of the CT article because it mentions "big changes in terms of the infrastructure in the car parking side". But the article unhelpfully doesn't fully clarify it. Adding that area to the apron would mean they could comfortably park four large aircraft at once. It does seem the sensible thing to do but it's very different from what was previously proposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    I think the “Big” car parking changes refer to ongoing re surfacing and painting of new disabled spots which is currently ongoing. The CT has a habit of click bait articles and headlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Fairly big job starting at knock now removing all that hill between airport and eirtrade staff member was saying could be upto few thousand loads to move and lay close to the runway on 08 end also going to build a big solar farm as well.He thinks probably be a car park eventually going where the hill is been removed. Probably making room for apron extension as there is a car park where the apron extension is going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    Any word on new Eirtrade hanger and warehouse getting built ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Soposed to be going ahead this time,Sometime this year.Be great to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,056 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Aren't there more than one central Govt grant scheme for smaller aiports?

    Is one for capex, and one for opex?

    I will check.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-transport/press-releases/minister-obrien-announces-4-million-in-operational-funding-to-irish-regional-airports/

    €4m on opex grants to three airports:

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    Separate from €7.8m on capex grants:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    That will be a fair old walk to the airport terminal for people who park up there, especially in some of the wild weather they get at the airport due to it's location.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Those extra 50,000 Ryanair seats they're promoting overnight are going to take them perilously close to the million passenger mark. Incredible that that's turned out to be a risk rather than a target. Hopefully that gets sorted soon.



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