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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 crossbredking


    Those comments coukd be picked up by someone as the truth and spin horror stories. I'd suggest keeping your I'll informed nonsense to yourself.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I’m reminded of what a bishop’s wife said about Darwin publishing Origin of the Species, “Hopefully it’s not true and if it is, hopefully no one hears about it.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Moo Moo Teamoo, all of my dreams come true…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I see more messages lately regarding breeding clubs from the ai companies.

    It's bullshit imho ( pardon the pun). They're trying to take a leaf out of the seed company's books and copyright the genetics.

    Where did the base stock come from, who reared them and bred them for centuries and millennia? Now companies are trying to claim ownership of bovine genetics!

    I've no problem with charging for products and services but this should be strongly resisted by all.

    Moo Moo Teamoo, all of my dreams come true…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Its laughable in fairness given how little is sold internationally, whats the point, most "top" bulls now either go back to seville/pivotal so the inbreeding issue is another red flag, the most intresting point re the above bulls progeny is their terrible tb resistant scores, used a pivotal bred stock bull to clean up cows here, genomically tested them and the ai bred stock, pivotal bred where coming back at 10% plus with the ai bred american genetics at 7% and lower with some really low, under 3%...

    Their going to have a serious issue with outcross sires shortly given they wont as a rule use forigen bulls to solve the above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭green daries


    DDefinitely I was thinking that myself ...i for one know of two case's where visa workers have been treated really unfairly on dairy farms..... but I also know of plenty more irish lads that got fucked about also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    got letters wanting to genomicslly test poteintal bull calves …and another one wanting to contract mate some cows /heifers .binned both ,been using international bulls based around gtpi last few years ,in no panic to go use any high ebi bulls as far too much a gamble and don’t fit in with my breeding goals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭dairyedge2


    Anyone else hates the thoughts of cows back calving? Speaking as a solo operator without foreign free slave’s or auto anything. It’s inhumane the work I’ll be doing for 3-4 solid months below production costs. Besides the wonderful sight of new life of course, that doesn’t get old. It takes years off your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭green daries


    YYou Say it takes years off your life. i say your not wrong there shortens my life span every spring 😀👏



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    You'll be alright when calveing has started.

    First calf always is nerve wrecking getting organised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭dairyedge2


    My first calf nerves was shot to pieces a few days after drying off outside when 2 young cows had abortions out in the field the same night/evening. Both due February. Everyday since my first looks are to see has anyone thrown a calf. Bringing those 2 remains in from a field in a wheelbarrow so wildlife would not get at them still bothers me, 30 years at it. Think they went from too bare a field to too much grass, water supply wasn’t an issue. I’m just dreading this spring in particular and the prices to boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    why no automation ?

    It’s hard to have no help and no automation. We’ve collars, removers, auto washer, a 2 station calf feeder and a 4 station one going in in the next few weeks



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Personally I think compact spring calving is a stupid idea not good for man or beast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭green daries


    Tis madness and hard work in Equal measure. dreamed up as a system by people who have no intentions whatsoever in having any hand act or part in said madness and hard work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭green daries


    @GrasstoMilk I agree there you need one if you do not have the other but being without both is not good for the head or back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭dairyedge2


    I love the hardship plus I can’t rely on people I have dealt with from the beginning so why spend thousands more getting to know new people letting me down all the while me questioning humanity. Can hardly get anyone to look at my milking machine, god forbid I had a drafting gate malfunctioning or a collar that can’t tell me something my two eyes should be telling me for free. I’m a good payer by the way, maybe that’s where I go wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,432 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    What happens if something happens to you though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    That new recuirment crowd that are midlands base, seem to be filling none of their jobs advertised, theyre published commission rates are mental too...

    Do frs even have enough staff anymore to cover emergency situatuons, they have it advertised they do if you pay into a yearly insurance type scheme they run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Its the same everywhere lad ive no bother getting help on the farm vet neither but anything else its hard elecrican builders are getting so much money in other sectors there probably doing us all a compliment showing up at any stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭yewdairy


    Is there a better alternative for average farm? Where it is a one person operation.

    I will calf 130 here with just relief help over 9-10 weeks. 100 cows in the 1st 4 weeks. It's very busy but we are fully dry since 20th December, so can spend January getting ready, I wouldn't be very busy in January.

    Obviously need to have all calf places ready and a good calving shed. I think its some dose spreading it out over a few months.

    When your in the yard calving what's the difference between 5 cows calving a day and 8 cows calving a day. Once over the 1st 6 weeks it leaves running the farm very simple for the rest of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    As long as all going well, would be better with 5 problems than 8 problems on the one day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭tanko


    What exactly does “just relief help” mean??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭yewdairy


    I have a relief milker that milks four times a week, that's every week of the year that we are milking and a college student that works 8-6 on Saturday with me.

    I am in the yard every day for 8-9 weeks, 1st 6 weeks are very busy, but that's the trade off I am willing to make. Outside of those weeks no problem getting away from the farm. I find it a very simple way to farm



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    I think it works OK at around 100 cows give or take but once you creep above that the cracks start to show.there isn't much difference between calving 4 and 8 cows one day but there's a big difference between 20 and 40 calves landing in a week and over the course of a month it's night and day.its about giving animals attention too.sher cows will mind themselves for 11 months but it's the month around calving you need to be watching them.if you subjected spring block calving to a risk analysis there would be flashing red lights all over the place.giving serious thought to split calving here for labour reasons bit whenever I say it to other lads they nearly have a heartattack they re so brainwashed into spring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭yewdairy


    I think you can reduce a lot of the risks by having facilities in place. A lot of problems are caused by insufficient facilities. When we expanded after quotas, we had a couple of years tight on calf space. Built a basic calf shed so we can hold all calves if we have to and it's night and day in terms of managing calves.

    We had a great Christmas here with kids, a couple of hours in the yard does everything. Cows were once a day since 1st December so we have had a very handy 6 weeks, in my view you sacrifice a lot in the second have of the year when you go spilt calving to save not a lot in terms of labour in the spring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Like everything in life, the thought of it, is a lot worse than it actually is. Once you get into the routine it gets easier. It's nice to have a few calving together than checking cows and nothing happening.

    I'm only a small farmer, but I like compact farming. Get the milk tank going and I use marker spray to mark the cows.

    I use milk replacer to heat the milk after I'm finished milking. So I'm not rushing in and out of the pit. I take up my milk in a barrell and then mix hot replacer in to it afterwards. It makes feeding calves easy as the machine is off and you can take your time.

    And another thing, call the vet in time. If you feel there's something wrong, let the vet at it. I know it's 100euro but it's against your tax and you won't be stressed when the calf is half out or you have a cow down. It might be only a couple of times in the four months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Youve the whole plan wrong lad rent a heap if ground double production hire a nepalese buy a mobile home or caravan for them buy auto calf feeder auto draft heat detection auto, upgrade parlour to all auto acrs specially sit back relax.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    You should deliver the opening keynote address at the Positive Farmers conference. Just keep a straight face when you say this and they’ll call you a visionary!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Correct me anyone if im wrong but did the positive farmers conference start after the old farm apprenticeship board master farmers had there annual get together to boast who was milking the most cows.That was another big farmer scheme where those tough enough to survice 3yrs of poorly paid hardship never had any real hope of becoming what they trained for but i knew a few who completed it and they were tough men back in the day big shots tried to start it again accepting foreigners but as it would need funding to pay the experts to train them it never got going but they tried any way.



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