Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

The criticism being that when in need of a goal the manager took off a defensive minded player for an attack minded one? That's a new one from United fans now tbh.

Risk, take a chance, throw on the youth etc.could have sworn that was an ethos.

Where is the “nuance” in the past 8 games where the exact same failings have been present in each one.

“Nuance” is the new thread word to cover up any ability to critically analyse a game yet still try to cling to your shibboleths

So you think taking Ugarte off, and leaving Casemiro on, was a good move?

We lost all sense of shape and balance when Ugarte went off because he can at the very least move around the pitch.

Almost as if our injuries and other missing players does make a difference…?

You might want to learn what gane state is, we were winning against Newcastle and were holding on, we were pushing for a winner via wolves it's fairly simple.

Ugarte was never going to do anything to get us a goal at least casamerio is a threat for set pieces and whatever about what Neville was saying wolves created very little second half outside of the Lemmens save

That is understandable but look at the lineups against Everton, West Ham and Bournemouth

And deservedly so, first half played at walking pace, this fcukkery of passing the ball backwards around their defense is infuriating as is the lack of tempo, drive, guts, skill in their game.

Extremely poor performance ..Yet another stick of a manager hired by United.

Lower mid-table at best.

Different arguement really isn't it, you could argue for either of them to come off. Maybe Casemiro left on for example as he is a genuine threat from set pieces and Ugarte isn't? Who knows. Doesn't really change the point, utterly bizarre to pretend - cause surely it's a pretence - that there isn't logic to taking off a defensive player for an attacking player when needing a goal.

You really should look up the meaning of the word nuance if you don’t understand it.

Just cannot agree on this regarding Sesko. He is holding the ball well and bringing his team into play. Any chances he is getting he's for the most part making himself. He's making really good runs and just not being played in.

Look, it's a really frustrating result and I do agree Amorim got it wrong tonight. Are there mitigating circumstances? Yes but we still should be beating Wolves clearly.

I've accepted that this season is going to have mad results like this.

Higher XG than us, but maybe that doesn't count like the players Wolves were missing

Not sure what your attempted point is?

Injuries and missing players do indeed make a difference.

If our performances were due to just those things, we'd be fine. But the reality is that we cannot perform consistently even with a full squad.

In the run up to beating Wolves 4-1, we lost at home to a 10 man Everton in a diabolical performance... We then had a great second half against Palace and got an excellent 3 points away... We then had a another diabolical performance at home to West Ham... All pretty much with a full squad and without missing players.

If we had everyone tonight, we probably would have beaten them... But then again, I wouldn't have been banking on that.

What you see?

You are the one who talks about “nuance”.

In a back 4 one of your players, usually the one with the better engine serves as a screen for the back 4. Casemiro does not have mobility to do this anymore but that is not so much of an issue with 3 cbs, hence him starting all season.
There a more than a number of shortcomings in Igartes game but this was one aspect he performed very well against Newcastle. Now the issue with Ugarte not being there for the last part of tonight’s game was not about attack, it’s about the holes that opened up that nearly resulted in the glass being lost.

Ideally, with those available, the only viable option was the same formation as against Newcastle. Nothing else made any sense. But Amorims mind operates differently. To switch to a 4-2-3-1 mid game you also need to assess the players. If Ugarte was not fit to continue Martinez should have stepped in. If he was fit it was a huge risk to leave the midfield two as Casemiro and Fletcher.

There were not many options available to change the game in an attacking sense, but with a proper structure at the start would likely not have been an issue.

You will criticise me personally about my opinions without including any analysis of what happened on the pitch or any rebuttals apart from “nuance”. Yeah, sure thing, your analysis is awesome 👍