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Cocaine Destroying Rural Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "One of the interesting things is actually the fact that it was showing up quite strongly in places like Lough Erne, which is maybe because it's a recreation hotspot." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r3vk8dvj2o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Cocaine shows up a lot too in places like Edenderry leading to people been burned to death



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I live in East Clare. Unfortunately, there's increasing evidence of drug debts run up by young men leading to parents having to pay very substantial sums to ensue that their sons are not injured or their property being damaged. Many of the stories are anecdotal, others people close to me can confirm. Some youths start using, start low level supply to their friends and party goers; don't get paid and go into modest debt initially to the supplier. Then the spiral begins; larger quantities to clear the debts leading to bigger debts and eventual recourse to bank of mum and dad. When the supplier identifies the willingness and capacity of the parents to pay, the demands continue. Stories of plots of land being sold, people having to downsize their houses, retired civil srvants using their gratuity etc to clear childrens' debts. That scenario plus stories of addiction leading to loss of good jobs, self-harm, emigration etc all indicate a serious problem, most of it hidden. Meanwhile I can name over 40 pubs closed within my lifetime in East clare. Centres of music, dance, socialising closed to be replaced in great part by private drug consumption. Maybe, I am old fashioned but I think the situation for many families is both dire and sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we need to start considering legalisation, wont happen though, so this is gonna keep escalating, and that ll be that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    There is no adult discussions allowed about “the war on drugs” because most people have a very rigid and dogmatic understanding of the topic. It’s a war on common sense , prohibition seldom works and all our laws do is create cartels , victims and destruction of families.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    its a political cul de sac, deemed too risky for politicians, political parties and polices makers to truly consider, so we re stuck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,267 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    What do you legislate for though? Committing violence against a drug debt is already catered for- even if you brought in a specific law that banned seeking debts owed for taking illegal drugs, with the threat of violence still there regardless, the law would be pointless - you can go to the guards right now and say hey guards, I took drugs without paying for them and now my dealer is threatening violence to me and my family -that’s not going to end well for the person owing money - if guards intervene and arrest the drug dealer for extortion it will inevitably end in violence and quite possibly death - at the very least the destruction of a home, by persons unknown

    There’s enough stories around drug debts out there now to try and dissuade people from getting themselves into that position - but drug takers become rather stupid people very quickly once hooked - no laws will stop them making the same mistakes others have done- it’s the nature of addiction and very predictable .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Legalisation, same as it's legal to sell alcohol/cigarettes, both of those products kill more people than coke. We don't seem to hear about the families of alcoholics or heavy smokers being threatened by publicans, off-licence owners and tobaccionists for unpaid debts.

    Post edited by Tomaldo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    It’s got to the stage I’d prefer if my children smoked 60 fags a day and died 20 years before their time than deal with the traveller drug gangs that have destroyed County Limerick with their threats and beatings , only a matter of time before an Edenderry type fire kills sone family in county Limerick. Politicians like Patrick O Donovan doing zero about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Medetomidine- apparently with a drug dealer near you soon - the problem with this animal tranquilliser is the come down is so bad you need the drug back in your system pronto -while it would take a whole new level of dumb to take this drug, expect it to be mixed with cocaine and other drugs currently available - it won’t end well -already impacting America -

    https://www.crimeworld.com/ireland/how-a-powerful-new-opioid-which-causes-violent-withdrawals-is-leading-to-crisis-in-us-cities/a/117410932.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Why don’t you children do neither?

    Avoid cigarettes and drugs.

    It’s not hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,267 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I had a few months of mild oxy last year in hospital and managed to get one prescription after discharge….you should have seen the head on me when the gp said no more! It feels like a real kick in the face ..i would describe the feeling as "devastated"

    (Obviously the drug itself was awesome)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    I wish it was that easy , drug dealers in rural ireland are waiting to pounce on any young person that could become a customer and build up an addiction will make them lots of money .
    Trying to snare youngsters after a few pints in a pub is the main initial tactic to get them addicted . Publicans are afraid of the dealers which are mostly travellers and most garda stations are closed or open an hour a day which is music to the ears of drug dealers . Drug dealers with their intimidation, beatings , arson attacks like Edenderry are destroying families and communities,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭goingmadted


    Where is this fantasy land of drug dealers with their beatings etc. I live in rural ireland, im nearly 50 and have been hearing about drugs destroying ireland since my teens and 20's. Ireland seems to be doing pretty well from where i am. There will always be drugs/drink/gambling etc. There will always be ppl drawn to it, but most of us are sensible and the world keeps going. Stop being so bloody dramatic. Ireland is currently number 2 in the safest countries in the world list by the way!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Many people in Limerick have no garda station to report crime to and the garda station 20 miles away are too busy to do anything about it so people have given up ,on reporting crime that’s how it is in county Limerick anyways .
    There’s months of waiting list to get into Bruree treatment centre for cocaine and local credit unions are swamped with loan applications for drug debts . There has been plenty of suicides for drug debts and deaths of people in their 50s from drug use in county Limerick . Yes there was a very small amount of people who took drugs 30 years ago but now it’s everywhere with drug dealers operating with impunity . You might be lucky to live in a part of ireland that isn’t controlled by traveller drug gangs but plenty areas are and the likes of the burning to death of 2 people in Edenderry show Offaly has a problem with these gangs as well , Offaly one time was a place associated with bord na mona factories, heart of rural ireland , hurling etc but now it also is been controlled by traveller drug gangs from Tullamore etc . I’ve relations in Longford and it’s the same . Families that never had anything to do with drugs are having to deal with the fallout of rural Irelands growing addiction problems and be thankful it hasn’t landed at your door yet .

    Post edited by Quitelife on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Finglas isn’t rural Ireland but yet another arson attack , lucky there isn’t another couple of people dead , drug gangs seem to do as they please laughing at the guards and law abiding community

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/teenagers-among-five-people-injured-after-suspected-arson-at-dublin-house/a1649157118.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1231/1551028-finglas-arson-investigation/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    They are laughing because of the sentencing handed out.

    A prison dedicated to 24hr solitary confinement needs to be built. Capacity 10,000. Caught drug driving, three months in there. Caught dealing 1 year in there. These sentences for the first offence. No alternative. Harsher, much harsher sentencing for repeat offenders.

    The problem will quickly subside. Think you're going to pass a roadside test on Monday morning after a few lines on Saturday night - think again.

    The morning after drink-driving checkpoints cleared up alot of the problems with still drunk driving in the mornings - proper checkpoints for drugs will do the same - but the Guards need to be out doing it more.

    The market for cocaine is supported by alot of people with everyday jobs, some well paying jobs. Close down that market and you'll see things improve.

    Also - removing free travel passes from drug addicts (incl. alcoholics) who engage in anti-social behaviour needs to be a priority for enhancing public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭h2005


    Curious, would the 3 months also apply to drunk driving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭bsloepro


    So - 3 months in your new slammer for driving on a Monday after having a "few lines on a Saturday night"

    Sounds legit!!!!!

    Better build a bigger prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The government currently tax alcohol to within an inch of it's life, which is supposed to support the health service, policing, etc… in catering from the outcomes.

    Not one cent is collected from cocaine use, etc…

    Unless there is legalisation of drugs, then there is no reason why the two should be treated the same. Should the government legalise drugs is another question. But for now, one can't expect a level playing field in terms of punishment as things stand presently.

    The current deterrents for illegal drug use are not effective enough as this thread is clearly pointing out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    Drugs will never be legal as the profits are used by intelligence services to do activities that national parliaments wouldn't hand over money for. Uncle Sam and his CIA learned the dirty tricks from Britain's Opium wars on China. Far too much untaxable profit for them to let it go. National parliaments weren't going to fund the Red Brigades, the bombing of Bologna train station or the killing of Olaf Palme but drug money will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Steven81


    Have always worked with young people so hear the stories, am currently in my 40s. Years ago it was how many pints did you drink, now pints give you a beer belly and cost too much. Go to the barbers and appearance is everything, lads go every 3-4 weeks and care as much as the women do.


    As mentioned they all take the drugs now, it’s the same as us with pints when younger, they don’t want to spend 7-8 euro a pint and feel groggy all the next day. I have heard stories that they all took a bit of coke, person x gets addicted while all the rest of friends are fine for another few months. Person x then needed parents/ grandparents to pay for clinic. It’s scary times and problems going to get worse and worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Thornton Hall was bought about 20 years ago with a proposed prison capacity of 2,200. We're still waiting for that to be completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    That’s possibly part of the problem - many people who take cocaine occasionally and at weekends don’t progress to a full time habit or don’t get into monetary difficulty (possibly because they have plenty of money) -.back in the day when hash was really the only middle class drug in vogue , the same applied.

    So out of the many that take it (obviously fuelling and funding a strong demand)- a “few” % wise, fck their lives up. It’s a problem yes- and a growing one sure- but not sure the numbers have reached some sort of tipping point - and theyres the rub - the amount of people negatively impacted doesn’t appear to be enough for radical government intervention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




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