Northern Ireland 2125?

the brits wont give up the north though…not a chance in hell.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just foolin themselves.

The cost of maintaining N.I. is relatively little per UK taxpayer, as there are 38 million of them.

All countries throughout the world make money in their biggest cities / centres of population, and subsidize the outer regions. Donegal gets subsidized by Dublin. If Donegal or Achill were an indepedendent country/ countries it or they would need to be subsidized too.

And if there was a U.I., the subsidy from Britain would stop, meaning there would be extra cost to the taxpayers in the new U.I.

As noted already, the study which asked how people would vote in a border poll and how much extra tax they would pay finds just 17.5 per cent would pay £5,000 more for unity.

Think of the knock on effects of every taxpayer paying an extra 5,000 a year in taxes : people would have less money for coffee shops and discretionary income which would be hammered, forcing many shop, restaurants pubs etc to close. Some families already struggling simply could not pay an extra 5000 per year tax.

As it is, as of late 2025, over 300,000 Irish households are significantly behind on their energy bills, with figures fluctuating but consistently high, indicating a major cost of living crisis. And you want them to paty an extra €5,000 per year?

I think the 17.5% like you, are mad. Or else they have enough money (like Adams who can go to America for his medical treatment) not to worry about it.

Typical from SF, the party that very recently was caught out not even having the correct amount of properties in its accounts, you are putting the cart before the horse and making a b…s of it as usual.

If you really want to waste many millions on something ( at a time when 300,000 households here are in energy arrears ), it should be a feasibility study, not a plan.

As someone else says, a feasibility study comes first to check if an idea works or is viable; the business plan follows to explain how to make it successful. 

A feasibility study investigates and finds out "Can we do this / what is the cost of doing this?" by assessing an idea's viability (market, technical, financial) to see if it's worth pursuingwhile a  business plan answers "How will we do this?" by detailing the roadmap, operations, and strategies for a viable project; the plan serving as a guide for execution and funding

You could spend 50 or 100 million on a feasibility study or plan for that matter and it would not answer all the questions, because if for example the UK government says it would be unfair of the "mainland" taxpayer to absorb the N.I. share of UK national debt, it is unlikely SF or the Irish government would want that either.

Also, to date, NATO as an alliance has never lost territory that was under its collective defense guarantee. If it lost N.I., which the security of a lot of the North Atlantic depends on, what would the countries there have to say about that? Hundreds of other similar questions. And by the time one or two questions get answered, the governments change.

A feasibility study comes before a plan. You still have not a clue how much it would cost. You are a bit like the Brexiteers before Brexit, only much worse.

How did the financials for their bicycle shed and national Childrens hospital turn out, or do they really care once they get their very large salaries and pensions? And now they want to go one worse by planning for something without knowing how much it would cost first?

Anyway, interesting you admit you still have not a clue how much a U.I. would cost, despite the fact you have over 70,000 posts arguing for a U.I.

Ask the people of N.I. if they want to pay €65 for a GP vist ( free to all aldults in N.I. ), €100 for a&e, thousands for vhi etc. The free NHS may be something you feel people can do without, but maybe you like Adams can go to America for your medical treatment?

The subvention to N.I. from Britain has been discussed, and only 17.5% of taxpayers here a U.I. if it means paying an extra 5k a year in taxes.

Slaintecare and free medical care here is great for asylum seekers and people who cannot afford otherwise €65 to see a doctor. You are right, because of poverty and immigration more and more people are availing of "free" visits to a doctor here. But most people have to pay.

Since when has "The Dublin government being immediately on the hook for the full subvention myth has also been busted"? You mean if there was a United Ireland, the Northern Ireland part of the U.I. would pay its contribution through Stormont? Far as I knew nothing was agreed about a U.I, any more than if there was a united world goverment and everyone won the euromillions and lived happy every after.

Paying the cost of a U.I. would fall on to the shoulders of taxpayers in Ireland. Other countries have their own debts and problems. The 17.5% figure was mentioned, ( percentage who would pay £5,000 more in tax for unity ) but I think it would be less that that after they saw so many businesses, coffee shop, retail, services etc close and the country go in to deep recession, if not civil war as well.

 300,000 households here are in energy arrears, how could they pay an extra 5000 in tax per year?

There's no guarantee that people will have to pay more taxes if a U.I. The economics of the time might say differently.

If people want to drag out individual out of context stats like N.I. people would have to pay 65e to see a doctor, we can also bring out the following:

N.I. people will get way way more in social welfare payments and benefits. More per week that the cost of a doctors appointment.

c.50% of Irish workers pay no net income tax

What would happen in N.I. if the UK taxpayer decided it wouldnt subsidise the place anymore? Could realistically happen given the rise of Engkish nationalism.

It's only Francis who thinks a UI will be a utopia.

Of course nobody is suggesting that, there will be all the usual challenges and differing political entities claiming their ideologies are the way forward.

But as the burgeoning all island economy shows it makes sense that an island this small is better off united, because that all island economy is happening regardless of all the belligerent footstamping and fulminating. The bigger it gets the more seamless a transition to a UI will be.

They degrade and society there would become unstable and infect areas around them.

So in other words its not going to happen. Unless Dublin runs out of money, like it did during the last recession, but unlike then could not borrow from the IMF/EU/UK.

As recently as post no 4395 this afternoon you said "The Dublin government being immediately on the hook for the full subvention myth has also been busted.".

So in the event of a U.I. if the Irish taypayer does not pay €5,000 extra per year to keep the lights on in N.I., and the Dublin government does not, who does?

And post no. 4401 just a few posts back you say "'Ireland' will pay for Ireland." But you expect Britain to pay to resettle unionists who would be unwilling to stay under your Republican government in a U.I.

You are all over the place and should apologise.

 if the Irish taypayer does not pay €5,000 extra per year 

Who said the Irish taxpayer will have to pay 5000?

Did you just make that up?