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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Everyone knows what's going on in Gaza and none of it is thanks to attention seeking f*ckwits like these. If someone thinks that going on hunger strike is going to affect British foreign policy then that's a level of stupid I just can't understand.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The "draw attention" trope. Do you think their stunts were the first time literally anyone heard about the Gaza war?

    You think the British government didn't know about nationalist resistance to internment before the hunger strikes?

    As I said, no matter what people do to call for action to halt the genocide will be dismissed by people who either don't care about it, or actively support it. We have both types on this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,789 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You've tried to strawman in holocaust and now internment. That shows the level of desperation.

    Do you think anyone learnt about Gaza off the back of these eejits or not?

    Yes or no will suffice no further strawmen required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Comparison with infamous hunger strikers who died after being on strikes for a similar number of days is a strawman is it?

    Do you know the meaning of that term?

    You have me thinking of Inigo Montoya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think it's profoundly disgusting to disingenuously conflate criticism of activists and far left grifters with support for genocide. You've done this repeatedly and it's vile, frankly. It gives the impression that you just want to use the Gaza situation to score cheap points on the internet.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,789 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So thats a refusal to answer the question and instead try to drag a movie into the discussion.

    Not surprising in the least you refuse to answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,920 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    only in very very specific cases are there exceptions, i am confident these individuals wouldn't meet such.
    clearly there is no evidence of terrorism but the government are going to hold them indefinitely if they can get away with it.
    no they are on remand over the legal limit for being against the genocide, for their actual law breaking they would have been tried a bit ago as criminal damage is generally a very easy case to prove,
    and that's even with the backlog as the government have shown they can fast track cases when it suits.
    ultimately you have to understand the sinister behaviour of the current labour government to really understand what is actually going on.
    the Uk is facilitating and supporting the genocide in every way, they have shown it and are even doing spy flights for israel.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,920 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    to be clear, the hunger strikers are neither far left or grifters.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You've repeatedly called people who are actively supporting Palestine as losers and grifters implied that they are responsible for various negative actions besides and when asked to explain why you viewed them that way, you've declined to answer.

    So I haven't the slightest intention of giving a toss as to how you view my calling out genocide supporters for what they are. The genocide exists, it's supporters exist (tacit and direct) and I'm not going to ignore either fact because you or anyone else wishes I did so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They're not doing it to make people aware of it ffs.

    Did you think they were?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Except I haven't. You know that full well but thanks for proving my point.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,789 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Youre the one that said "draw attention" originally. Now you are saying "they arent doing it to make people aware of it". Seems your argument is with tell me how, tell me how.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They are on remand "over the legal limit" like a great many other people because the UK judicial system is in an absolute state and the backlog in the Courts is appalling.

    They are very much not special, they are just obsessed with thinking they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Most recent example.

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    Still unanswered. As is your right. As it is mine to notice it and refer to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Drawing attention to something is not the same as making them aware of it.

    The former ensures it remains in focus, the latter that it comes to attention for the first time. See the difference?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I mean, the current govt recognised Palestinian statehood over vociferous opposition from both domestic and foreign quarters. That is not nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    While ye are all here going over and back with nonsense and descending into hyperbole about some protesters this is what the actual leader of the opposition has been saying about foreigners.

    Do some posters really still think Sultana is worse than the Tories ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,920 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes i see that now on a re-read, however the majority of them aren't far left or grifters either.

    a small amount will be and of course the far right are famous for grifting but general activists are mostly centre or around it.

    the problem now is that with british politics moving so far to the right, anything in relation to activism and protest is seen as far left and must be opposed and crushed, even if it means the erosion of people's rights.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,305 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's not enough though. Same as Biden's spokesperson at the State Dept acknowledging that they knew Israel were committing war crimes. Except he said that after Biden was out of office and he was out of the job.

    Too little, too late.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,920 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the british government think they are special hense the bogus terror charges.

    no they are held on remand way over the legal limit for simply being against the genocide as the longest few being held are the longest remand prisoners in the UK i believe.

    the government have proven they can fast track trials before and as the terror charges are bogus there will be no evidence for it, but there would be for the low level criminal damage and the british government would surely want to prove their case if they have one.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,528 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Do you think anyone learnt about Gaza off the back of these eejits or not?

    Some will, undoubtedly, have. Palestine Action has managed to get more people onto the streets over the issue of Israeli atrocity in Palestine than any other protest group that I can remember in decades.

    There are thousands of people who are more aware of what Israel is actually about today because of groups like Palestine Action who would have been quite unaware of what Israel has been doing in the region for most of their lives.

    Irrespective of their criminal damage charges, they've done a great service in opening the eyes of many with regard to Israel and its rapacious nature.

    No wonder there's those in power that want to silence them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,528 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    To be clear, you said

    I think it's profoundly disgusting to disingenuously conflate criticism of activists and far left grifters with support for genocide.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They are not charged with any terrorism charges. The trial of the first defendants from the case is already underway - they are charged with aggravated burglary, criminal damage and violent disorder. There is very, very little doubt that the CPS (it is not the government) have a case.

    They are not the longest held remand prisoners in the UK.

    They are being held on remand, most likely, as they can be expected to repeat their criminal behaviour if allowed out on bond. They are being treated like a great many other criminals but are being gigantic babies about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,610 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The imprisoned Suffragettes frequently went on hunger strike from 1909 onward and contrary to what we are hearing here, such hunger strikes were largely deemed a success, generating widespread public sympathy and support for their cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And? There's nothing inherently wrong about being an activist or criticising activists.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Tell you what. I'll answer that once you can find quotes from me endorsing the genocide.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Worse than the Tories indeed - some posters have let their hatred cloud their judgement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,920 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    incorrect they are being treated very differently to other criminals hense they are protesting about it and being non-babies.

    they are subject to the highest levels of restrictions possible and are receiving treatment that breaches their human rights on a daily basis.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    incorrect they are being treated very differently to other criminals

    How? Given you were incorrect about their charges and the uniqueness of the time they have been on remand you will have to forgive me for not taking your word for it.



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