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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    On the ebi s8de of things I was just looking through a few heifers that an ai company wants to bred from I and I noticed that they were some of the highest ebi for milk in the herd so maybe they finally seeing what pays the bills .it's amazing to think we ve 25 years of ebi and average production per cow has hardly moved one bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭straight


    Management And feeding have increased substantially though. Grassland management and compact calving have made a huge difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,690 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    I tested american bred holstein heifers with no irish genetics and a couple of a pivotial stock bull i used , on both ebi/international index, the irish genomics had the americian heifers a average of 110kgs plus in milk over the pivotial heifers, on the international index they where 500-800kgs plus in milk over the pivotal stock...

    Alot more milk has been breed out of Irish cows than the icbf are letting on, and on daughter fertility in fairness the pivotial stock where 4 points ahead of the american bred heifers on the international fertility scale so it does show they had extreme fertility traits but no milk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    they have been creased substantially ….despite the claims ebi hasn’t improved on milk and kgms sold to a large extent ….% have improved as has fertility but not much else has ….where ebi goes from here you’d wonder ,less fe straws been used and farms best stock been bred to sexed straws ,where will thd next superstar ebi bull come from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's important to remember that everything they do is just based on probability/statistics and general changes across the country can hide these things



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,690 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The genetic progress in america re fat/pr % while increasing milk, really shows what a properly run breeding program can achieve, we are in the doldrums here..

    Sheepsters daughter proofs are 1100kgs milk solids as heifers milk recorded, at 4.7%bf/3.5pr and theirs better bulls coming through year on year, its terrifying from a irish prespective, we simlply arent at the races...

    The talk re milk supply needing to drop to reverse price drops is only half the story, it needs to reverse 5% plus on historically levels when you account for ever increasing % in what where white water cows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭yewdairy


    There is excellent genetics all around the world. The improvement in % solids in American Holsteins is very impressive. The question is are those genetics suitable if you want cows to graze. I have seen a few videos from redhouse Holsteins where he doesn't think his genetics would work in a grazing system

    I think the ebi has done a very good job in improving the national herd. Improving fertility has a massive effect on profit.

    I would never get too bothered by overall ebi of bulls, I would put much more weight on sub indexes of traits I want to improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭straight


    Started Feeding my in calf heifers today for about a month. 1 or 2 kg will do them I'm thinking....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Id feed xtra maybe 2 or 3 kg early on then before calving ease off to prevent odema.But if its first cut high dmd dont think they need any if there in gd order



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    There was some whinging in this country when cows wouldnt go incalf thats been solved now i wouldnt use ebi but it suits alot of people type would be the biggest drawback with ebi



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 crossbredking


    Production has increased dramatically. If you were told 3.5% pro was your figure 10 years ago you'd say it was good. Now that same figure is considered dog sh1te. .many people going sub 400 kg 10 years ago. Those same people have increased production 25% without changing system. Ebi is working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    if you look at average milk and solids sold from 10 years back v now the jump is pretty poor …fertility and % have improved no doubt but management of stock and grass etc has come on leaps and bounds …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    HHerd Sale on Cork marts yesterday and I thought there was no great steam in it despite there being some fine cows in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,754 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭straight


    I think one 3 year-old made 2820. That was the highlight. Might be wrong. Cork marts had it up on Facebook as a highlight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The clearance sale in Corrin today has been cancelled



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    I was waiting for something so I just looked in and back through the sold lots and there was decent cows over 700 kilos making 2 k and that kind a thing.i see grasstec have done the video they always do when they are trying to push sales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭ftm2023


    I was wondering, now that we are a year on from the Kerry Co-op JV vote that time — what do you all think of it with the benefit of hindsight in all seriousness? I would be of the thinking that most people are happy that ultimately we didn’t go down the road of going back to arbitration etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Back4more


    Whats the point of rehashing the same old trash ?

    The reality is dairy farming is facing major trials ahead. It is far from the liquid gold that propaganda spouted media portrayed. Any young fellow expanding on the back of borrowed money will earn it anyway!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭degetme


    Who will be left to foot the bill when the 1s who voted for it will be retired and sail off with there shares?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Back4more




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Is 1 or 1.5 cents a litre they are taking off us next few years to pay for it and we have yet to see a set of accounts as to how things are going. The cheerleaders are gone very quiet now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Back4more


    That is what the majority agreed to was it not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭degetme


    Milk suppliers will be paying for part of the takeover from next year. The old lads with no successors and high value shares will pull the plug and twill be left to a smaller Milk pool to fund part of the takeover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Back4more


    In fairness Kerry milk suppliers got great chance to expand up to now without any co op share to pay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭straight


    I was against the farmer takeover. But sure we are where we are now, I guess I'll have to pay away for it. Looks like all the co-ops are getting very worried about succession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭ftm2023


    I’m only a farm labourer and I was no longer a shareholder when the vote took place so didn’t have any skin in the game. My own humble opinion is that people are in general happy with the way things has gone over the first 12 months of the JV.

    My guess for the future is a few of the nearby co-op’s will go broke and we will be able to pick off plenty of their suppliers so whatever happens Kerry won’t be short of milk.

    Just the opinion of a farm labourer. I’m not saying I’m correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭alps


    How do you mean "pick off"

    Sounds like a grey crow around a dying sheep.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,667 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Farming is a tough game we ate price takers. A year plus ago lads were in about dairygold collecting milk in Kerry and a few big new operations being able to get collected, even about Tirlan and Arrabawn being options. I pointed out at the time that Kerry had the brands, Tirlan overpaid to get complete control, dairygold is a skim milk powder sales company. Kerry is in a better place than either

    Slava Ukrainii



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