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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm surprised the Daily Mail didn't use the angle that these Poles are being pushed out by housing demand conflict due to people arriving in small boats.

    Just to put enough out there to allow people to infer that whites are being replaced with non-whites and for that to add to the mindset of their readers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The poor Poles can't do anything right.

    It's similar here with people who were racist to them and wanted them gone are now lamenting the days when the immigrants were white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭midlander12


    '…..depressing and shameful. Another indictment of a broken country….'

    Quite, except they left out the main reason why. Only the Mail could print this without apparently a trace of irony. They were the biggest cheerleaders for a Leave vote which was going liberate the NHS and welfare system in the likes of Lincolnshire from the invasive East European hordes, while at the same time opening up countless employment opportunities for young Brits in the fruit-picking industry. How could it possibly not worked out as planned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump puts $31bn tech prosperity deal with UK on ice due to lack of progress on tariffs. US was to invest in the UK.

    A blow to Starmer but it does deprive brexiteers of an argument theres a benefit to Brexit.

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    US puts £31bn tech ‘prosperity deal’ with Britain on ice

    https://share.google/Womf3oNsr6kB0ugeuPledge to invest billions in UK paused, with Washington citing lack of progress on trade barriers across pond



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's only a blow if you ever believed Trump which I don't think the UK government did. Those flimsy deals were just to shut him up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This.

    Not even Kermit.de.frog — a poster with no critical filter whatsoever; a poster who is single-minded in his adulation of Trump; a poster who never misses a chance to point to "benefits" the UK has secured as a result of not being an EU member state — not even Kermit.de.frog, so far as I can see, ever hailed the Trump "tech prosperity deal" as something that would confer any benefit on the UK, or something that should be regarded as any kind of acheivement on the part of the UK. If even Kermit can't find anything to welcome in a deal with Trump, then I think we can all agree that that deal must be truly, transparently, unarguably worthless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,214 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I wonder how much of that £31b was just new data centres for Oracle. They have over 100 billion reasons to wiggle out of their commitments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Guardian reports that £22 billion came from Microsoft and £5 billion from Google. It was to create up to 5,000 AI jobs in the Northeast of England. I would hope that this would be more than just engines for AI slop but I suppose we won't know given how things currently stand. It says a lot that they're targeting that region. The Southeast has become completely unaffordable so it's nice to see something planned for the north.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The UK govt is to hold an 'independent review into foreign financial interference in UK politics'. I bet the review will not look at Israeli financial interference given the UK govt is on the payroll of Israeli lobbyists for years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Every direction they choose to look in, there'll be an opportunity for them to find something.

    But that doesnt mean they will look everywhere, or disclose what they find.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    As the article says UK to rejoin Erasmus in 2027. Good to see a stupid "everything Europe is bad" decision reversed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,527 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed. It'll conveniently leave out that particular "foreign financial interference" no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,214 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I don't see US(or US-based) billionaires being investigated either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That Sultana one is now tryna kick up fuss over the fact that a detained Palestine Action is hungry because she went on Hunger Strike.

    Bizarre carry on I dunno how these people get taken seriously at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Same here. They're worse than the Tories, these ones. They're just narcissistic grifters obsessed with their own persecution complex and social media personas. They don't give a sh*t about Palestine and they never did.

    I expect the review to throw up whatever's there. The trouble is that it'll get overlooked and subsequently forgotten about. Who remembers the Panama Papers and all the change they led to?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You mean you think it is unfair for an MP to highland the case of a young person on remand taking part in a hunger strike? Why do you think it is unfair?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Oh yes it needs highlighting.

    The real hunger is for attention thats why they do these stunts. To sate that hunger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Worse than the Tories"

    Ffs you do go off the deep end at times. Ya Sultana is worse than Truss and Johnson, worse than the party that gave us Brexit and the hostile environment policy.

    Worse than Badenoch, Patel and Mogg ?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Well, for one, it would be nice to understand what their demands are beyond a demand not to be held accountable for their own actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    https://www.vashtimedia.com/hunger-strikers-mortal-danger-conditions-already-critical/

    The strikers’ demands are almost all restatements of basic rights, protocols and conventions, such as the protocol for maximum remand length and the government’s previous commitment not to proscribe direct action groups. These are their demands.

    End censorship of prison materials

    Prisons are using their powers to monitor and intercept prisoner communications – calls, letters, books, etc. – to restrict prisoners’ political activity and punish them for self-expression. Visitors have described having to avoid words like “Palestine” for fear of intervention. 

    Immediate bail

    The Filton 24 and other PA-associated prisoners have not been convicted of any crime; they are imprisoned on remand while awaiting trial. The standard legal limit for being imprisoned on remand is six months; some of the Filton 24 are currently on track to spend two years in prison pre-trial. The hunger strikers demand their release from custody while they await trial.

    Right to a fair trial

    This is, in practice, a demand for the release of various documents that are relevant to the upcoming trials: “This includes all meetings between British and Israeli state officials, the British police, the attorney general, Elbit Systems representatives, and any others involved in coordinating the ongoing witch-hunt of actionists and campaigners. We also demand the release of government records of all Elbit Systems UK exports from the last five years.”

    De-proscribe Palestine Action

    Prisoners For Palestine opposes “the use of counter-terror laws to target those engaged in protest and direct action”, and demands the de-proscription of Palestine Action, the dropping of all  “terror-related charges” and “links’’ imposed on those who have allegedly been involved with Palestine Action, and an apology from Yvette Cooper, who has claimed that PA is violent and “possibly funded by Iran”. 

    Shut down Elbit Systems UK

    Israeli weapons manufacturer Elbit Systems, which supplies 80% of weapons and equipment to the IDF’s land forces and most of Israel’s combat drones, has 16 sites in the UK. The strikers wish for Elbit Systems’ UK sites to be permanently shut down; where the government is concerned, this demand specifically focuses on the cessation of government contracts with and ties to Elbit. Earlier in 2025, the Ministry of Defence was considering Elbit for a proposed £2bn contract to provide training to 60,000 British soldiers per year. It is unknown whether Elbit has been awarded this contract; Elbit announced in November that they had signed a $2.3bn contract for undisclosed services with an undisclosed buyer, but whether this relates to the proposed UK deal is unknown.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ok but those demands are utterly ridiculous. The only non-absurd one is the question of bail, and there is justifiable cause there and the backlog in the criminal justice system in the UK is abhorrent. If they had restricted their demands to that they might have a point (I have tried to find out exactly why they are being kept on remand rather than bail, but not had a lot of luck. I would be happy if someone had info on it).

    However, no politician is going to give into what is essentially blackmail to engage in the other topics. I have no idea what exactly it is anyone expects the govt to do about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    They might aswell throw in a personal dragon for each of them. Those demands are purposefully unobtainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I agree with all of their demands but they should have reduced it to the top 3 which are essentially human rights issues. The fact that UK govt are releasing hardened criminals into the community short of serving their sentences because of the shortage of prison spaces is well enough reason to release these folk on bail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Agreed. The government isn't going to unproscribe a proscribed organisation over something like this. It's also not going to just arbitrarily shut down companies operating here because members of said organisation are demanding immunity from consequences. That said, the justice system here is in the toilet after the austerity years. I've read about people waiting over a year for a trial which is just horrific. The problem is that prisoners (and people accused of crimes) are probably the least sympathetic demographic in any country. I can't see this improving any time soon.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I cant find any official reason either but one comment did say it was likely to avoid an "Extinction Rebellion" type farce where you have the same few handful of goons repeatedly getting arrested and released every few weeks. These lot will likely keep reoffending if given the chance so the only way to stop them offending is to hold them.

    Essentially the British version of Enoch but the Brits have zero interest in playing that game anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Face of UK politics changed as Starmer cracks joke:-

    A black swan event: Keir actually cracked a good joke at PMQs | John Crace | The Guardian

    Having addressed the serious stuff of antisemitism, Keir wished everyone a happy Christmas in his last Commons appearance of the year. And in the spirit of goodwill to all men – and all women – he had this advice to Reform: “If mysterious men appear from the east bearing gifts, this time report it to the police.”

    Buoyed by the unexpected success of his three wise men gag, Keir chose to double down on Reform. Noticing that Sarah Pochin had made a rare appearance in the Commons, he said he hoped she got the white Christmas she desired so dearly.

    Poor Sarah! It’s not her fault that she can’t help projectile vomiting every time she sees a brown or black face in an advert. I doubt we’ll be seeing Sarah again any time soon. She can’t take too much of this. Too many black and brown faces on the Labour benches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,787 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The first one is ridiculous. They worded it well there but most of their complaints seems to be having Keffiyeh or Palestinan flag material removed. That type of material was never allowed anyway thats why theres generally prison uniforms.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah, I assumed as much (though happy to be corrected otherwise). These people are not shy about publicly declaring they will do the same thing again and a basic expectation/declaration you will not engage in further criminal activity is a standard enough requirement of bail. The delay in the court proceedings is a whole other thing and is a growing and significant problem of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They don't give a sh*t about Palestine and they never did.

    Can you point us to people within the British political system who do "give a sh*t about Palestine in your view"?

    There is zero evidence to suggest Sultana doesn't, she has been vocal and consistent on this matter since the day she entered politics.



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