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Mass shooting on Bondi Beach

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The invasion of Kuwait and looting of Kuwait by Iraq was noting to do with the Iran-Iraq war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,008 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    it does, Iraq had little money left after the Iran war and went after Kuwait for its money and oil reserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Of course it was. They wanted Kuwaiti oil and also owed Kuwait ~14 billions dollars it had borrowed to wage war with Iran.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Iraq had huge oil reserves of its own : no reason or excuse to invade a small little neighbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Albanese spoke a total of 5022 words in press conferences, interviews and statements the day after the Bondi Beach attack. Of course, he managed twice to raise the threat of “right wing extremist groups”.

    Never mentioned the words Muslim, Islam or Islamic extremism. Or that more was needed to be done to combat those elements.

    Typical Leftist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Which proves my point, the cause of the terrorism isn't Islam, it is the political situations/ collapse that occured in those countries and societies. That is the commonality of terrorism here, not Islam or Muslims, or else it would be happening in Turkey and every other Muslim state.

    Saying this doesn't deny it exists, or excuse it's actions, it recognizes it as a political problem that should be tackled as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't know what to tell you other than it was the reason they invaded Kuwait. You can talk about excuses all you like but it happened and those reasons are documented historically. They gambled that US would not intervene and they were wrong. They could not pay their war debts when due. They even asked Kuwait to cancel the 14bn debt but Kuwait refused. OPEC and Kuwait were over producing oil which drove down oil prices - this didn't help Iraqi debt issues.

    Saying it was nothing to do with the 8 year Iran war is patently wrong.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The downside of trying to tackle an armed and active shooter.

    Just as heroic… but less successful.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2341yx719o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Gulf War 2 rightly or wrongly was seen as just finishing off Gulf War 1, as Iraq was see as a destabilising force in the region."

    Well every force in the ME that doesn't follow U.S. and Israeli policy objectives is seen as 'destabilising'.

    It was sold as necessary to eliminate the threat of an Iraqi nuclear program and from other 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', in fact suggestions that Bush II was eager to finish the job begun by Bush I were dismissed by the WH at the time.

    Of course after the invasion was completed there wasn't too much mention of these elusive WMDs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This POS got disarmed twice but unfortunately went back to killing. Probably aided by his son although he killed this elderly couple with a secondary fire arm.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2341yx719o



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Turkey is a Muslim majority country which had explicitly secular institutions and governance by design as an ideal to limit the influence of Islam. It not sliding into religious authoritarianism while throughout the world other muslim majority countries, and Muslims within western countries exposed to extremist Islamic sects, particularly Saudi, Qatari or Muslim brotherhood associated ones are seeing a rise in islamic terrorism , uprisings and even caliphate proves my point not yours. There are extremist Muslim ideologies being pushed online, in mosques, prisons (a particular recruiting ground for French islamic terrorists) and schools throughout the world. Denying and ignoring this and pretending geopolitical events alone are what is driving islamic terrorism is naive.

    There are ordinary Muslims who value women's rights, want to live in free societies (witness the marches in Iraq against lowering the age of consent for girls to twelve) who acknowledge these realities, so I'm not certain why western nations need to pretend otherwise.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    A huge part of it is that they see killing nonbelievers as a positive and a ticket into heaven for them and their family. There was a red c poll a few years ago in France that found only an extremely small amount of them would do it but that a sizeable percent saw it as a good thing. At what point are people going to accept that this problem is clearly linked to the religion. We are not seeing Jewish people blowing up Mosques in Europe or any other religions. The mental gymnastics are something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    These are a direct quotes I made...

    You are still putting words in my mouth. Saying “religious extremism is almost always political under the surface" does not mean extremists lack religious motivation - it means religious motivation alone does not explain where, when, or why it turns into organised mass violence. Politics does.

    Stop claiming I said religion is irrelevant - I said it is used, not that it doesn’t matter.

    Of course ideology matters. The point is that ideology doesn’t explain terrorism. Terrorism has political causes throughout history and this is still the same.

    ....and you say this

    Denying and ignoring this and pretending geopolitical events alone are what is driving islamic terrorism is naive.

    It is impossible to have a discussion with you when you make up things that I not only did not say, but actually said the opposite of.

    If you want to continue pushing the narrative that terrorism is "because they are Muslim" and ignore that almost all Islamic terrorism is inextricably linked to places of war and oppression (Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, Taliban), whilst also ignoring that millions and millions of Muslims will never pick up a gun in terror no more than we will, because there will never be the circumstances to, have at it.

    But the issue will never be fixed.

    Well just leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    We are seeing plenty of poles where Israelis in the vast majority agree with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I saw a clip of a TV weather presenter predicting heavy rain in Gaza and hoping that the suffering and death from it would be worse than it was a couple of weeks ago because that wasn't as harmful as he had hoped it would be.

    Can you imagine an RTE presenter during the troubles talking about the weather in say East Belfast and hoping it would be harmful to the point of death to the residents in that area.

    It's nauseating these past few days seeing the language condemning all Muslims for the acts in Sydney and to even hint at collective culpability for what Israel has done to Gaza and the person doing so (such as that Dr in the UK) will literally accused of being antisemitic and could be hounded out of their job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    This is hilarious. They took them hostage, murdering many of their friends and family while doing so - and you think giving them a birthday cake, which of course they filmed for the world to see, was a kind gesture rather than a nasty power trip?
    FFS

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So if it’s the opposite of what you said, does that mean you do know that they think they are killing people for following the “wrong” sort of Islam, or indeed Christianity in the past, and that therefore they are killing in the name of Islam?

    Or do you mean you were agreeing with me that your opinion (and mine) about what their acts constitute doesn't really matter, and that what matters is their belief about what they’re doing? Or something else again?

    It’s a bit hard to follow your logic, so perhaps I’ve just misunderstood you. Can you explain?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We're talking about how they were treated AS hostages for the love of God. Stop moving the goalposts. If you want to pull in every bit of extenuating treatment towards them aside from that act then lets do the same for how the most moral army in the world ™ treat the Palestinians.

    The treatments of hostages by the IDF is demonstrably worse (on the whole) than the treatment of Israeli's held by Hamas. If you disagree with this, show some evidence to support your argument which is actually relevant rather than going off on a tangent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The IDF don't have a good record with any hostages. They even killed three of their own hostages. The ones stripped to the waist and frantically surrendering in Hebrew. And of course, Israel has admitted to harvesting organs from captured dead Palestinians.

    In Bondi Beach news, the BBC reported this:

    "A delegation of volunteers from an Israeli non-governmental search and rescue organisation have arrived in Sydney.

    In the aftermath of the deadly attack, ZAKA Search and Rescue said in a statement it had dispatched its team to "assist in the identification of victims, ensure Kavod HaMet (dignity of the dead), and support the bereaved families."

    For those unfamiliar with Zaka, they responded to Oct 7th. They made the claims of beheaded babies, a fetus cut out of a mother's womb and babies being microwaved. They asked Israelis to contribute to their cause (they trousered millions) and then all their disgusting claims were debunked. Oh, and in their haste to ask for cash, they mixed up or lost the body parts of Israelis murdered by Hamas. Kavod HaMet my backside.

    Personally, I wouldn't let them within a hundred miles of a body. But I'm sure they've already crowdfunded their jolly to good old Oz.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Islamic terrorists believe they are killing in the name of Islam, obviously. I haven't said any different. But what people believe they are doing is not the same as explaining why terrorism exists and spreads.

    You are all conflating Islam with terrorism, as though Islam causes it. That isn't true, there are 2 billion Muslims in the world, a huge majority are peaceful, and terrorism isn't equally distributed.

    Terrorism is a phenomenon that could be conflated with anything. It is a method, not an ideology. It can and has been attached to almost every belief system when conditions allow - religious (Christian, Jewish), political (communist, anarchist), ethnic (nationalist), or racial (far-right). It doesn't mean Christianity, Judaism, Nationalism, or right wing attitudes are necessarily bad or dangerous, and neither is Islam.

    Many Middle Eastern countries have lived through decades of awful war, huge civilian deaths tolls, state collapse, terrible repression, proxy conflicts, and mass displacement.

    Trying to argue that as irrelevant to terrorism, just because it is Islamic, makes absolutely no sense. It usually explains all the other types of terrorism mentioned above right, and has done throughout history?

    Would you seriously argue that if Islam didn’t exist in the places who have been through all this horror in the last 30 or so years, that there would be no terrorism? It would attach itself to some other ideology, and everyone would be blaming that instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The U.N. Human Rights Office carried out an analysis of 8119 Palestinians killed in Gaza between November 2023 and April 2024.

    70% of those killed were woman (26%) and children (44%) with the most representative in the 5 - 9 year old age group.

    80% were killed in residential buildings or similar buildings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    @tayto lover reference the rabbi images, and linked to them. You responded with I just referred to this.
    The images I linked to are directly for that link. AI is getting harder to spot, but falling for those image is almost wellful ignorance.

    Can you show where you saw that claim made or a claim that this picture you've posted is AI.

    Do I really need to find someone online claiming the images are AI. They are obviously AI, and painfully so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do I really need to find someone online claiming the images are AI. They are obviously AI, and painfully so.

    So that's a no then. But you're ignoring the content of what I've posted.

    I didn't post or don't care about the image, I posted the video which shows the same guy interacting with IDF soldiers and speaking about eradicating Palestine.

    Can you answer the questions I asked with respect to the video?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    How is any of that relevant to what I said. You pondered how they were radicalised. I provided context.
    It's a fact, that was associated with individuals who where jailed for a terror plot. I've no idea why you are getting in a twist over pointing that out.

    We didn't say anything about firearms. There's a whole discussion there.
    It's great that you found basic guide of firearm regulations. But I don't need you to explain Australian law to me.

    The 'background' checks apparently didn't prove any barrier to the father (effectively the son also) getting access to the guns that were used in the Bondi Beach attack that killed 15 and injured many more.

    Evidently not. And it raises a raises a lot of questions about how far the restrictions place on a person on interest should spread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭briangriffin


    The People of Jordan and Lebanon suffered more under Palestinian terror than the Israelis, there is a very significant historical reason that no surrounding Arab nation will open their borders to Palestinian refugees. History has thought them that where large groups of Palestinians go so does there extremism. Palestinian refugees were a major catalyst in Lebanons civil war supported by Muslim and suprise suprise left wing progressives types like the many marching today in ireland. That did not work our great for the left wing progressive types in Lebanon it also didn't turn out great for the Muslim Jordanians who expelled the large numbers of militant Palestinians who they initially invited in. But Ireland is great we will take in thousands of Palestinians whether they be called Palestinians or Lebanese im sure we here in Ireland know better than the surrounding arab countries. As for ww1 and WW2 being started by Christians again il refer back to the self loathing and suicidal empathy of the progressive types incapable of critical thinking. Hitler to my mind was not a good Christian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    So that's a no then…

    How is that a no? You asked me to point to a claim online.
    I am quite literally claiming in this thread they are AI. Is anyone claiming my own claim. Or the other posters in this thread who proved to you they are AI. Or the articles about the other deep fakery images the victims.
    I'm very surprised that it wasn't immediately obvious. The garbled text, messed up hands and faces, the clothes changing shot to shot.
    I expected you to say, "my bad, I was talking about something else". But asking for proof the images are AI, after it's been pointed out. Hmmm, there's no many plausible explanations for that.

    I didn't post or don't care about the image, I posted the video which shows the same guy interacting with IDF soldiers and speaking about eradicating Palestine.

    That's not accurate.
    A poster referenced the images of the Rabbi "Holding a rifle and a bomb" on facebook. You replied in post #500 with;

    See post 497, I just referred to this.

    Now, maybe you were talking about something else, but what you said was I just referred to this. I replied to what you siad, not what you meant to say.
    Of course, that's undermined slightly by the fact you referred directly to the image after I posted it;

    Can you show where you saw that claim made or a claim that this picture you've posted is AI.

    So, it's really not up for debate. You did in fact post about the image, that I posted.


    Can you answer the questions I asked with respect to the video?

    I'm not sure what question you mean. This one below? I'm happy to answer…

    Are you saying that video is a different man, or is false?

    I didn't say anything about that video. 100% accurate answer.
    I haven't seen the video, can't comment on its content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're jumping through some hoops to deny acknowledging the content in the video.

    Carry on, we can see it for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It’s crazy that people use the war in Palestine to make excuses for terror attacks in the West. By the logic Islamic terror attacks in the West is an excuse to attack all Muslims in the West. In fact more so, as these attacks are happening here and these people are new arrivals causing trouble.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    How is any of that relevant to what I said. You pondered how they were radicalised. I provided context.

    You said I asked you questions, I didn't.

    Okay, you seem to be based in Australia from what you post now.

    Just because you do doesn't make you an expert on anything.

    I always said I would wait for verified info to emerge before posting an opinion.

    Edit:

    BTW, not that it matters, I've been to Bondi Beach, decades ago and found it a pretty underwhelming experience but no doubt it has changed a lot since. I've been to Sydney many times and other places in Australia (and surrounding places) that you've likely never been. But as I say this is all irrelevant.

    Post edited by Cyclingtourist on


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