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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Looks like Warren gatland is in line to take over from cockerill.

    Georgia and Warrenball could be a match made in heaven



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Must be offering him a bucketload of money, maybe benchmarked with Eddie Jones in Japan.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Nah, Eddie wouldn't have much offers from tier 1s after his Australia debacle.

    His intimate relationship with the Japanese RFC chairman is the main reason he's back there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Narcis


    It's between Gatland, Azema and Broncan but it's bad timing for Georgia because apparently Fiji are looking to replace their head coach as well. They may have to wait until summer with an interim coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    from the ruckthis.ie website

    • Justin M. Fitzpatrick

    The Global Rugby TV Audience Problem and How to Fix It.

    Rugby’s TV footprint has a strange shape. Massive spikes at the top, then a long, flat line across much of the club season. The sport can still create events. It struggles to create routine.

    What’s broken

    1) Club rugby is too small, too stagnant, and too easy to ignore.

    Club competitions typically attract small TV audiences and those audiences have largely been stagnant. The Premiership example is blunt: average free to air audiences down 57% and pay TV averages down 47% over the period cited.

    2) Ticket price is a conversion lever

    If the goal is to turn “I like rugby” into “I go”, pricing matters. High regular-season prices push fans into occasional behaviour, thin crowds, and quieter atmospheres. That hurts the matchday product and the broadcast product, which then makes conversion even harder.

    France shows a more sustainable approach. The Top 14 keeps an obtainable entry point, with league ticketing advertising marquee games from €30 for semi finals and €35 for the final, and clubs commonly offering lower starting prices for regular matches. The result is simple: more regulars, better noise, better TV, better habit.

    That is not messaging. It is a product people do not feel compelled to return to.

    3) Rugby does not export well week to week.

    For most competitions, non domestic media rights are minimal, typically 5% or less of total media income.

    If the weekly product does not travel, stars do not travel either. The ceiling stays local.

    4) The audience is ageing while competitors build under 35 habits.

    The audience skews older, and broadcasters are increasingly chasing sports more attractive to the social media generation.

    At the same time, rival sports are reforming faster with formats and initiatives designed to capture attention and expand globally.

    5) The calendar dilutes the one thing TV needs: eventness.

    Top nations effectively operate across 11 months, with fixtures almost every week.

    When everything is on, almost nothing feels like an appointment.

    What fixes it

    Build a unified watch and highlights layer for club rugby.

    If non domestic rights are 5% or less, rugby needs a distribution rethink, not another rights negotiation.

    Create one front door. Create one weekly guide to what matters. Create a highlights ecosystem that is fast, consistent, and designed as an on ramp for younger audiences.

    Convert volume rugby into appointment rugby.

    Standardise kick off windows. Reduce dead weeks. Concentrate premium rounds that feel like finals, because finals are where attention and attendance naturally concentrate.

    Protect stars and manufacture visibility.

    Overload limits players’ ability to build a global profile and following.

    If rugby wants conversion, it needs recognisable faces and repeatable stories, not just once every February or every four years.

    The Stadium Is the Strategy

    If rugby wants growth, it has to stop treating stadia as places you visit 12 to 15 times a year and start building them as places the community returns to 300 days a year.

    Too much of rugby’s economics are trapped inside matchday. Matchday is volatile: form, weather, scheduling, broadcast picks, injury lists. You cannot build a modern sports business on 15 big days and wishful thinking in between, especially when most top clubs are loss making and losses are often underwritten by owners, unions, and in some markets local councils.

    The clubs and leagues that are winning the next decade are doing something different. They treat the stadium as a community anchor and a real estate engine. A district that produces revenue and belonging whether the team is playing or not.

    What modern stadium ownership actually means

    Not just owning seats. Owning or controlling the destination.

    Food and beverage that stands on its own. Retail people use even when they are not in team colours. Conference and events space. Concert ready infrastructure. Hotels. Public realm with plazas, parks, and community facilities that make the venue feel like the town square.

    Because the stadium is not just where you sell tickets. It is where you build habits.

    The upside in the real world

    MLS is building the blueprint.

    Inter Miami’s Miami Freedom Park is being positioned as a mixed use campus with over 1 million square feet of retail, dining, entertainment, and office space, a 25,000 seat stadium, and 750 hotel rooms, plus a major public park and community athletics facilities.

    That is the pro team placed at the centre of a year round district.

    Minnesota United’s Allianz Field area development has been planned to include a hotel, an office building, restaurants, open spaces, and community facilities. The intent is to turn stadium day into district life.

    Other sports show the financial ceiling.

    Atlanta Braves Holdings reported mixed use development revenue of $27m in Q3 2025, up 56% year on year.

    The Battery Atlanta is widely cited as a model that franchises study because it creates year round footfall and off field revenue that stabilises the organisation regardless of season performance.

    Rugby’s warning sign

    Twickenham has been cited as unused for 340 days a year, and compared with venues like Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and Wembley hosting 30 to 32 non football events annually.

    Whatever you think of the politics, the business logic is clean. If your stadium is dormant, your growth is capped.

    Why this matters beyond money

    Rugby’s advantage has always been community. Belonging, shared codes, multi generational identity. But too many pro clubs still operate like pop up shops. Turn up, consume, leave.

    A modern precinct flips that.

    Fans do not just attend. They belong.

    The club becomes a platform for weddings, coffees, clinics, business breakfasts, school finals, charity nights, watch parties.

    The stadium becomes a third place where the community naturally gathers.

    That belonging is not soft. It is what keeps people paying when the table looks ugly. It is what turns a casual fan into a fan of my club fan.

    The Treadmill Must End

    Rugby is trying to run two different businesses, international and club, on one overloaded body.

    International rugby generates more revenue from about 67 matches a year than the club game does from 700 plus matches across senior nations.

    Revenue per match reinforces the point. Internationals are around $11.7m per match, while major club leagues sit roughly in the $1.2m to $2.3m range.

    And the cost is not just fatigue. It is marketability. Workload rises while wages fall behind other sports.

    You cannot win a modern attention war with an 11 month grind and a scattered product.

    A Practical Conversion Plan

    If rugby wants to convert interest into habit, three moves matter more than slogans:

    Make rugby findable. Build a global watch and highlights layer that makes discoverability a priority.

    Make weeks matter. Build fewer, louder rounds and a calendar that concentrates meaning instead of diluting it across 11 months.

    Build year round engines. Invest in stadium precincts that generate revenue and belonging beyond matchday so clubs are not permanently living on financial life support.

    Rugby already owns the peaks. Six Nations scale and World Cup reach prove the appetite is real.

    The next decade is about building what happens in between. A weekly product people can find. A calendar that creates moments that matter. Club homes that function as real community centres.

    Rugby does not need rescuing. It needs designing so the people who already like it have a reason to come back next week.

    Post edited by Ben Bailey on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭user060916


    I agree with some, disagree with some, but it reads like a poorly AI generated piece



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Rugby needs two completely separate circuits to run at the same time.

    International rugby should run year round, players should be centrally contracted and not play club rugby.

    Club rugby should run continuously without interruption, and should dovetail with International rugby.

    The top 12 international sides could play each other home and away every year. The players should be fully paid and contracted to the national team. If injuries then subs could be bought from the club sides.

    The club competitions should run throughout their normal windows, and should finish so as to coincide with a European club competition after the domestic leagues have played out, and then perhaps a club World Cup.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    No it shouldn't and that wouldn't help anyone. The non International games wouldn't make enough money without internationals involved much. We have enough issues with players from some countries retiring from International to play club

    Your idea would see this happen even more.

    TThe Top international sides play each year enough. We dont just need to reinforce the gap between top 6 nations and rugby championship sides and rest. It and new international series coming in already are bad enough and you're idea is even worse. Doesnt grow the gane or help anyone outside top countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I've read, or perhaps should I say, tested my patience with the above.

    Utter fecking drivel. Obviously American corporate advertising BS. What an utter butchery of the English language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    AI scutter....thats the standard now for Journalism these days...

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Desperate days indeed. You'd be scolded at school for producing something that poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    Huw Jones going to Toulon



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Sooo, Robertson's been given the sack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Absolutely mental. NZ haven't been that poor, and he wasn't able to play with their best OH. Crazy choice. I guess Joe can finally get his shot at the NZ gig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    The player feedback must have been absolutely dreadful for him to be sacked with less than 2 years until the RWC



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Ruthless.

    I guess that's the last time for a long time NZRU will appoint from outside their inner circle.

    I wonder will Holland and McDonald come back for the RWC now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It was now or never.

    12 months from now, no way. But two full Rugby Championships and a WR Nations Championship is time enough to bed in a new HC.

    Surely it will be our old friend's turn at the big chair now....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Joe Schmidt is contracted to the Aussies until the end of July I believe, so can't take up the role until then.

    Jamie Joseph appears to be the current favourite to get the role (he's the current All Blacks XV coach).

    Planet Rugby had a piece yesterday touting Pat Lam for the role and it made an interesting case.

    Dave Rennie for me would be a very interesting option.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Squeaky bum bum time for Munster fans if NZ come sniffing around their new coach.

    There are suggestions there could be an opt out clause for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭50HX


    Rassie 2.0......🤪

    He's done u20's & 5 years of Maoiri, All blacks XV.…🙈🙈



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,600 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    If they get Robertson in return they could learn to deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Will be very surprised if it’s not Jamie Joseph. Who is the best option imo. Robertson was a roaring success at the Crusaders but has not translated that to the ABs. The attack has not been great and I hope that is the end of BB at 10.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    20 wins out of 27 games played, 74% win rate, brutal. But below NZ expectations.

    https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/all-blacks-fire-coach-robertson-less-than-two-years-before-world-cup-20260115-0265

    Seems Ardie Savea threatened to walk.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If it is to be Joseph, which looks likely, I wonder will NZRU be able to prise Tony brown from SA, as he's been Joseph's long term assistant??

    Id be disappointed from a Highlanders point of view, but if Joseph goes I would hope there would be a high level appointment in his place.

    Hell I'd certain take Robertson himself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Can't see Robertson taking another job within the NZRU. Think he'll look overseas.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Yeah most likely it's a pretty humiliating circumstance to be in for him. I think he comes across as a guy for whom thing are never good enough. That mindset probably works well when you have control of players week in week out and you can implement your ethos down to the n'th degree, but it's very difficult to do that at national level.

    When McDonald left that was a sign that things were not good in camp, and for savea to use the media as he did was also a real eye opener.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, Savea coming out swinging in this manner likely means he is speaking for a lot of players. Very unusual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Hoping for the dream team: Eddy, Sir Clive and Peter de Villiers with Stephen Jones as media manager.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



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