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Cross-border review of rail network officially launched

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    If it's not a big deal to aim towards 200 kph , then yup go for it , and I presume on a new line to Drogheda there'd be a limited number of stops .. probably just M50 / Dublin airport and then Drogheda , hopefully then heading for on to the border , so more likely to get up to speed , if the alignment alows it ..

    And that would free up the current Dublin Drogheda line to handle much more commuter traffic ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Just in terms of the alignment, I reckon that there’s no need for a Dublin Airport station, it’s very much a large deviation from the path of least resistance between Clongriffin and Drogheda, and would clog Enterprise trains with passengers that it shouldn’t be taking on.

    If the airport is to be served by heavy rail, it should be a branch off of the Drogheda express alignment, for terminating DARTs.

    The express alignment should however link with the metro at Estuary, killing multiple birds with the one interchange as it were: easy link to the airport from Belfast (via Metrolink from Estuary), M50 station (it’s just off the motorway for easy access north of Dublin), and not leaving the Enterprise services prone to becoming fast services from Swords to Dublin.

    It should then run directly in as straight a line as possible to Platin, where an interchange station would be built along the old Drogheda-Navan line and just off of the M1, where one or two DARTs an hour, wouldn’t terminate at Drogheda and would instead terminate here, timed to link with Belfast/Dublin express services.

    It would allow passengers to/from Belfast and Drogheda to easily change for a DART connection into the existing Drogheda station, serving Platform 4 on the Navan branch at MacBride station, which is already planned as part of DART+.

    And being right beside the M1, people coming from Slane/Duleek/Clogherhead/Ardee can park here and take trains into Dublin on either a DART or an express.

    Cross the Boyne adjacent to the Mary McAleese M1 Road bridge (eliminates the bottleneck of the single track Boyne viaduct - which some Dundalk commuter services would still use - and rejoin the exiting line north of Dunleer.

    This really would be a premier alignment, and with only 2 station, would be enough extra catchment to pass a CBA while still retaining the high speed bypass qualities that warranted the line in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    EU requires heavy rail to the Airport so you have to take the slightly awkward alignment but since you are stopping at the airport the time penalty isn’t a problem

    You the follow the M1 alignment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The new line between Drogheda and Connolly won't have any stops other than the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    With metrolik in place most people wouldn't bother going to connolly, paying an intercity train fare etc to get to the airport.

    Likely journey times between Connolly and the airport would be around 12 minutes. While metro would be about 20 minutes from O'Connell station. Metrolink would offer 2€ fares and IÉ could set a fare of 10 or 15€ even for passengers using Connolly to Airport.

    Or indeed if it was a problem they could have all Dublin-Belfast trains skip the airport stop and just have Belfast-Dublin trains serve the airport.

    The Enterprise will likely be wedged with Drogheda commuters though as they'd much prefer the 25 minute journey to Connolly than the 1hr journey via the coastal DART. But that can be catered for. With enterprise running on dedicated tracks every half hour there's loads of space to introduce an express commuter on those tracks in the gaps between enterprises. The express commuter would only stops at Dundalk, Drogheda and Airport. That way Drogheda could have an express service to Dublin every 15 mins plus a DART service every 10 minutes or less.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,085 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It actually requires high-speed rail connection and connection to the trans-European network, but I think being an island with a non-EU country between us and the continent is sufficient "physical constraint" that it wouldn't apply to Dublin. Also, EU law experts will know better than me, but not sure exactly what "connected" means in this context. Also, Dublin-Belfast was part of the core network prior to Brexit but no idea what happens now.

    The main airports indicated in Part 2 of Annex II shall be connected with the railway and road transport infrastructure of the trans-European transport network by 31 December 2050, except where physical constraints prevent such connection. Taking into account potential traffic demand, such airports shall be integrated into the high-speed rail network wherever possible.

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2013/1315/oj/eng



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I assume it's not so much connection from connoly to the airport - it's more for Drogheda and beyond to the airport ..

    I'd actually prefer if they went heuston to the airport and off up to Drogheda, hopefully linking to a Cork - Dublin - airport - Drogheda -Belfast line ..

    Although that'd prob be a death knell for cork airport ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The proposed link is Clongriffin (northern end of FourNorth), Airport, Drogheda as a more direct line than the current coastal route. With a spur, there's a potential to bring in Ashbourne, but that would be all in terms of intermediate services.

    Just like Metro, the airport bit isn't there for the reason you'd think: it is far more useful as a way of providing interchange with Metro than as a primary service for flyers. Look at the typical check-in times for morning flights out of DUB, then subtract the length of a train journey, and you end up needing to run services like 04:00 Belfast- Dublin for which there could never be enough demand. For Cork-originated services it's even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    The Boyne Viaduct doesn’t need to be replaced to improve capacity, as you can see in the attached image the only part of the bridge that hasn’t space for 2 tracks is the central span. Surely it would be a lot cheaper to replace that span rather than build a whole new alignment.

    IMG_1767.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Does such a short piece need replacing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,488 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That 'central span' is three spans. It's basically the entire bridge. It would be an exceptionally expensive and disruptive rebuild



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It's a very short section of single track. With proper signalling its not a problem, even with services every 15 mins in both directions.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    My earlier scepticism of the Rail Review was warranted, I guess.

    I am not surprised at all, the AIRR was always aspirational in the extreme.

    Doubling the Maynooth to Mullingar line is probably the stand out loss to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Plan to connect Maynooth and Hazelhatch lines looks gone as well.

    State of this country.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Doc is here. Technically not official yet, but I assume will be published properly soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,482 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    the SRR wasn’t even that ambitious in its scope and seemed realistic/attainable- but not with these idiots in charge. Anything beyond more lines/speed bumps on existing roads for non existent bikes is a massive problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Source of that map, so that nobody else has to go onto Shitter:

    Rail_Project_Prioritisation_Strategy_-_2025.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Bsharp


    is the document not an initial prioritisation of projects from the AISRR? i.e. which they're starting first.

    we need a pipeline of investment. can hardly do all 32 projects at once, when the new lines need capacity created on existing lines first to become operationally viable. The timelines for the projects listed are really disappointing, means the rest will be longfingered even more. We'll get another strategy in the meantime to alter everything again.

    WRC is a surprise, not politically, as presume Galway to athenry capacity is needed before decent services could be introduced to the reopening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The document is titled “Rail Project Prioritisation Strategy”, and it has a 15-year horizon, so yes I would say that that’s exactly what it is. Of course, you don’t get that kind of understanding or nuance on Twitter - you never really did, even before Musk turned it into his own personal PR service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,482 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m in favour of the WRC but not at the expense of projects that will deliver more value. It sounds a bit vague “capacity enhancements”. Presume things like dual tracking and electrification on the Waterford line are off into the future behind the cork and Belfast lines



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,482 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    link to letterkenny should be a priory- a crime that donegals rail link was ever severed and surely not a massive undertaking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Bsharp


    I didn't think it was viable until the tunnel was in place. could either line take additional services from the other with the constraints further in? Any capacity at heuston will be needed for Kildare Line service increases etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    Something that immediately catches my eye is that projects under 200m are not meant to be listed.

    This may explain a a few smaller independent projects not being listed. This would actually included the Maynooth-Adamstown and Shannon Airport link which the AISRR believes would be under 200m (whether that's actually true or not).

    That said, there the two projects im still surprised have no mention are the Drogheda-Clongriffin express alignment and the Waterford-Rosslare line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    Having Sligo services (or anything from the Western lines honestly) terminating at Connolly is bad for capacity because of the track layout.

    Moving Sligo services to Heuston is better for Sligo service users, frees up capacity on the Maynooth line, and will relieve some congestion at Connolly. Which if it's needed, that Maynooth line capacity could be given to SW DARTs to free capacity at Heuston.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,439 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    there isn't a hope anything involving new lines will come in under 200m.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Yeah the document says double tracking Limerick to Limerick Junction will cost over €200m.

    Something like a link to Shannon airport on a completely new alignment that has to cross the N/M18 is going to cost closer to €1bn. Which is why it will never actually be built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Consonata


    As a Sligo service user, personally hate the idea of terminating in Heuston over Connolly, Connolly is in a much better part of the city. I get the overarching arg of terminating Sligo Services in Heuston, but Heuston is a bad place for a station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,482 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    how would it cost €1 billion? Seems an insane price, I thought the existing line was relatively near the airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,482 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    the Wexford line doesn’t seem to get much mention- there’s major capacity issues/poor service particularly on the northern part of that line. Surely a few decent passing loops and link into DART would do wonders for relatively little cost/big return



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    I would be surprised if it was under 200m, but from a policy development standpoint, those estimate are what they are going to operate off of until they are told otherwise so it would still explain why it might not be on there.



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