Israel/Palestine Thread

As I, and everyone else here has said many, many times, Hamas are scum. They committed horrific crimes, especially during the october attack. That doesn't justify starving millions and killing tens of thousands of children.

The comparison I use is saying that choosing between Hamas and the IDF is like choosing between two different mexican cartels. They're both horrific, You can't say either are the good guys, you can only say which one has committed fewer crimes.

US asks itself "have we checked for permission from Israel" :)

The US has blocked senior European envoys accredited to the Palestinian Authority (PA) from entering the Civil-Military Coordination Center (CMCC) in Kiryat Gat outside the Gaza border under Israeli pressure, Haaretz reported on 11 December.

Still at this pathetic slander craic @volchitsa? Can't think of a new nonsense pov yet?

I agree with Amnesty. It is v simple why I do. I try hard to be a consistent person, it isn't easy, but it does make my arguments easy.

If a group, be they Hamas or the Israeli politicians and military, commit mass atrocities against civilians, they are scum imo, and should be treated as such. I don't care what religion they are, and I don't care what religion the civilians they massacred were.

That is why these arguments you present are so pathetic, and why they don't work, and you will be unable to find a single post from me saying anything different.

You want to tell us that either because the perpetrators are Israeli, or because the victims are Muslims, that we should ignore the whole, you know, civilians atrocity part, shut up about it, or you will slander us.

Because butchering civilians at a music festival, butchering civilians by bombing them, blowing up all hospitals, blowing schools with kids in them, intentionally causing a famine to starve your enemies are all warcrimes. Israel, we are told, are committing genocide against these people, and the people telling us this are extremely experienced and reputable and thorough.

I, and most here, react appropriately.

I have absolutely no idea why you dont. I don't know why you engage in slander not only against us, against Muslims, but against the Jews themselves (who you claim to defend).

By calling criticism of Israel's alleged genocide/warcrimes/ethnic cleansing campaign "antisemetic", you are treating Jews around the world as a single hive-minded entity, collectively responsible for the state crimes of Israel.

You deliberately bind Jews to the mass warcrimes of the Israeli state, when they have no responsibility,culpability, or voice in this conflict, to shield Israel from accountability and justice.

Do you not see, that isn't defending Jews. It is using them.

Why do this?

Lebanese Foreign Minister Youssef Rajji said in an interview on 12 December that Beirut has been receiving warnings that Israel is preparing a large-scale attack on Lebanon, and that Lebanon is “intensifying” diplomatic contacts in order to prevent war. 

“We have received warnings from Arab and international parties that Israel is preparing for a large-scale military operation against Lebanon,” Rajji told Al Jazeera.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-the-moral-sickness-and-us-policy-derangement-behind-the-genocide/

Without imperialism, there would not have been a state of Israel. Without imperialism, Palestine could not have been plundered and stolen from its people. Without imperialism, Zionism would have been discarded as the mad ideology that it was. Without imperialism, there could have been no genocide.

And only thanks to imperialism, Israel has “succeeded” in its own warped understanding of the word. Succeeded in stealing Palestine from its people, succeeded in slaughtering its people, succeeded in massacring its children and succeeded in bringing the loathing of the world upon itself.

At least, after Gaza, the lies that worked half a century ago work no longer. Confident that no one is going to stop it, Israel has shed all restraint. It doesn’t even pretend to care any longer, as symbolized in the December 9 attack on the UNRWA headquarters in the occupied east Jerusalem quarter of Sheikh Jarrah.

Occupation “police” and officials arrived with trucks and forklifts, forced their way inside, cut off communications, stole furniture and IT equipment and pulled down the UN flag, replacing it with an Israeli flag.

The unstinting provision of these weapons makes the US a partner in the genocide, further dragging its global reputation into the mud. The US is showing that it is as mad and bad as Israel. It knows these weapons are being used to kill civilians, yet it continues to supply them. This is not policy but policy derangement by the dealmakers, real estate agents, and other opportunists passed off as a “government.”

Yeah but this shows your ignorance about the situation. Pre Oct 2023 there had been a ceasefire, albeit one where rockets were regularly being fired from Palestinian-controlled territory into Israel, an act which any other country would consider a declaration of war but which Israel is expected to just suck up on the grounds that they have developed a relatively effective though expensive, defensive system.

Israel is nothing like a Mexican cartel, unless Mexican cartel activities run the gamut of everything a regular country does including medical and scientific research as well as providing healthcare to people who want their destruction.

Hamas OTOH, whatever about Mexican drug cartels, is certainly involved in enforced child labour and the murder of opponents. Not sure about the drug trafficking - their Captagon problems seem to be more from Syria

These are their OWN children. Or rather, other Palestinian children - the children of top Hamas officials no doubt have nicer childhoods than that, either abroad, or as the son of a Hamas Ministry of Agriculture employee boasted on that infamous BBC propaganda broadcast, in the best private schools in Gaza.

There is nothing comparable to this sort of child abuse of Israeli children by the Israeli government is there?

And as for the idea that a military response to an attempted genocide is going to entail war crimes - well have you ever seen a war that didn't involve war crimes? So no I'm not surprised that there have been war crimes by Israeli soldiers, and as I've said before, they need to be punished. But they were reacting to an unprovoked attempted genocide which Hamas had been preparing for years using stolen international aid and forced child labour.

No justice yet for World Central Kitchen aid workers who were murdered by the IDF, no even answers.

https://greatreporter.com/2025/12/10/heroes-in-life-and-death-a-year-and-a-half-after-three-british-veterans-were-killed-in-gaza-the-uk-still-has-no-answers/

On the night of 1 April 2024, a World Central Kitchen (WCK) aid convoy travelling along a pre-approved humanitarian route in central Gaza was hit by a succession of Israeli drone strikes. Three British nationals — all former UK servicemen — were among the seven aid workers killed. Their vehicles were clearly marked. Their route had been shared with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). They had just delivered over 100 tonnes of food to starving civilians.

The three men were:

• John Chapman, 57 — a former member of the UK’s special forces.
• James “Jim” Henderson, 33 — a Royal Marine with six years of frontline service.
• James Kirby, 47 — a British Army veteran who had served in Bosnia and Afghanistan.

Each had survived war. Each was killed on a mission of mercy.

The UK government immediately demanded a “full, urgent investigation” from Israel. A year and a half later, in December 2025, Britain is still waiting.

Oh so when you claimed that the Hannibal directive had been employed you didn't mean that you believed it had actually led to a significant number of the Israeli deaths that day?

What on earth was your point then? Just scaremongering?

So was Israel forced into deliberately witholding aid. The 5 year old girl slaughtered by the tanks rounds, i suppose could have been mistaken for a Hamas child soldier.

What excuse do you have for the crimes Israel committed over the years before October 7th? I suppose the state of Israel was forced into committing those too?

It's convenient for you say to also say soliders should be punished for any war crimes. I think the strategy here is to imply these crimes are not systematic and that the IDF has a robust system of accountability. If that is so, how many IDF soliders accused of killing civilians have been found guilty over the last 25 years? I suppose you could disignenously claim very few were due to being cleared of wrong doing by military courts. Alot of institutions inside and outside Israel who have investigated these matters would strongly disagree with you. I suppose they are all anti-semitic, or self hating jews if they belong to Israeli human rights groups. The Holocaust surviour who denounces the state of Israel must be a self hating jews too- it'll be anything but you admitting you are wrong to run cover for a state that is up before the ICJ ,and whose current leader is wanted by the ICC. If there is no case to answer, why doesn't he go there and vindicate himself. Oh silly me the court is a cesspit of anti semitism, poor Bibi won't get a fair trial!

Go forth and steal land (Tanakh chapter xii)

https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-settlers-cross-gaza-seize-palestinian-land