Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

Just watched the ceremony, him putting the medal on himself. The speech…this is just a medal for a loser, and an award for an ego.

It was like a Monty python sketch

Let's see how Obama felt about it himself, shall we?

I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who have been honored by this prize, men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build, a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement, it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.

Now, let's compare that to Trump who feels he properly deserves it.

I mean, at least be consistent, right?

And the noble prize wasn’t made up for Obama, unlike the one Trump just got.

He certainly didn't reject it though, did he? It was a political prize for Obama and Trump and many others are quite right to bring up that it was the Democrats who set the standard here.

Yeah Trump rambles on about it, annoyingly so, but the point is still valid as it was in 2009.

I was surprised Obama accepted it because I remember it at the time. It was the exact same reaction as Trump got.

So Obama won a real prize and Trump won a fake one but the fake one is somehow better? The knots people will insist on turning themselves into…

He says Europe is weak and decaying. You must disagree with that assertion. I agree with it 100%. Trump is not shy about telling home truths.

He is doing it to get European nations to look after themselves.

The reason the continent acts shocked is because since the end of WW2 they've been hopelessly reliant on American exceptionalism and strategic military capability and no American president has been honest with them…until now.

Whether it was Trump or not this has been coming for decades.

Well push me over with a feather. At one stage, according to you, the EU would throw Ireland under the bus with Brexit. Didn’t happen. Now you think Europe is “weak and decaying”, this according to Trump of course, who is currently responsible for an affordability crisis in America, along with generally doing nothing. The only thing that is weak and decaying is Trump himself, this IV marks are getting big.

He is doing it to get European nations to look after themselves. 

No he isn’t. He is trying to stir the post for his cronies.

The reason the continent acts shocked is because since the end of WW2 they've been hopelessly reliant on American exceptionalism and strategic military capability and no American president has been honest with them…until now.

What would Trump know about the military? He is a draft dodger and hasn’t a breeze about history either. 

Whether it was Trump or not this has been coming for decades.

Sure. He is wrong, he is wrong pretty much all the time about things. Add it to the list

Along with Europe been completely irrelevant now he also seems to be saying that Europe needs to stop hesitating and choose to get on their hands and knees for China or stand by side by side with the United States. America understands that it can’t maintain its global influence without European support. If the West becomes divided, there won’t be strong support for nations trying to push back against China’s influence.

Russia has already fallen as a vassal role to China and Europe will have the same outcome as its current economic policies continue to weaken its manufacturing base and competitiveness. Honestly at this point we should enjoy watching Europe continue to drift straight into the arms of authoritarian, anti globalist China, just to watch how all the liberal lefties spin it against Trump. The same people in denial who spent years raging about how dangerous and wrong Trump supposedly was can’t bring themselves to believe that he was actually right on China and several other issues. They have zero interest in discussing it so Europe can continue to enjoy moving to a vassal of China.

By messenger, do you mean the frog with zero credibility on geopolitical affairs (still waiting for the EU to throw us under a bus and Ireland be forced out of or the customs union Kermie), or the amorphous blob of dementia running what is left out of his brain out of his mouth?

And do you have a shred of evidence for any of this?

Depends which side of the fence you are on. Republicans will applaud him Democrats will not. It is not an objective thing.

And once again, nothing actually positive. Just the same old drivel about owning the libs.

Wonder where we are with regards to the Epstein files. Must be bad if we need a war in Venezuela to distract from them.

You can't seriously believe this.