Meanwhile on the Roads...

I don't understand what you are saying anymore because none of that is what I said.

Also, because someone will pull you up on this, I am in no way saying some muppet flying through a junction with red lights at 40kmph is OK, just that a commuter slowing to walking speed, observing there are no pedestrians close to them or on the junction, or likely to cross, then rolls through and observes if there is any or potentially any crossing motorised traffic, and if there isn't proceeding through the junction. This is not equivalent to a taxi or an 8 wheeler accelerating through a junction at >50kmph, through a light that has been red for a few seconds at busy times of the day in a city centre where there are pedestrians clearly waiting to cross and there is almost certainly going to be crossing traffic.

They are both illegal. I don't roll through red lights, I stop on amber, regardless of if its in my car, van or on my bicycle.

They are, and this cannot be stressed enough, equivalent. Even legally they are not equivalent.

The motorist in the above example is guilty of numerous more offences than simply breaking a red light, many of which cannot be handled by a FPN as they are so serious. A cyclist is guilty of breaking a red light, and cycling without reasonable consideration (and they would be guilty of this at the minute as if you cannot see a Garda at the junction waiting, then you were not sufficiently observant).

In the above scenario, should the Gardai, having only the ability to stop one, who should they target to stop, who is the greater danger, directed at you @standardg60 they are both illegal, both should get a fine, one definitely a court date, but a garda, on their own, which one if both are observed, should the Garda target, if they are, as you say, both equal.

Those cyclists are turning right at the next junction, so are moving out to make the turn. I'd sooner do it while traffic is stationary, get out in to position, than end up stuck at the next red light and have people give out you crossed the road to the right lane when the green man was lit up which according to some, is the equivalent of red light jumping at speed and vehicular manslaughter

The really funny thing is what I percieve to be a lack of observation from the poster. Lets say they were mandatory for cyclists to use (they aren't) but lets say they were. There are 5 cyclists in the clip out of the cycle lane. 1 AJR stays ahead of, so no idea, 2 are moving to the right hand turn lane. If you know the area, that is the only way to take the next right after the junction. the other two are filtering on the left and are clearly going to turn right at the junction. Even if the cycling lanes were mandatory, and it is well documented that legally they are not (which appears to be all that matters to some), is that they are correct to merge right to the right hand turning lanes.