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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Bduff1


    He didn't have a hectic championship, and he is playing junior. The Belturbet man marking him kept him scoreless in the junior quarter final and he was in Australia all year. Devine dropped is disappointing I have no doubt he will be back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    Who is left from last year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Bduff1


    This is last years squad against Mayo. McLoughlin is still there I hear.

    1. Gary O’Rourke (Ballyhaise)
    2. Cian Reilly (Killygarry)
    3. Brían O’Connell (Ramor Utd)
    4. Niall Carolan (Cuchulainns)
    5. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
    6. Ciarán Brady (JC) (Arva)
    7. Padraig Faulkner (JC) (Kingscourt Stars)Gone
    8. Killian Clarke (Shercock) Gone
    9. Evan Crowe (Ballyhaise)
    10. Gerard Smith (Lavey)
    11. Dara McVeety (Crosserlough)
    12. Oisin Kiernan (Castlerahan)
    13. Cormac O’Reilly (Mullahoran)
    14. Ryan Donohoe (Gowna)
    15. Cian Madden (Gowna)

    16. Liam Brady (Ramor Utd)
    17. Luke Fortune (Cavan Gaels) Gone
    18. Killian Brady (Mullahoran) Gone (I presume)
    19. Barry Donnelly (Arva) Injured
    20. Luke Molloy (Cavan Gaels) ?Unsure I would presume gone
    21. Ruairi Curran (Swanlinbar)Gone
    22. Thomas Edward Donohoe (Denn)Gone
    23. Ryan O’Neill (Kildallan)Gone
    24. Sean McEvoy (Ramor Utd)
    25. Oisin Brady (Killygarry)
    26. Paddy Lynch (Crosserlough)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Shane Tynan stood out more then Devine in the few Ballymachugh games I saw this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Word going round McEvoy is gone, as is James Smith, it seems the county board didn't take into account that despite sone players approaching the managers others may not be so pleased



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Blue47


    WAC say no Miller, McEvoy or Oisin Kieran on panel. Conor Brady back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    Smith could do with a break away anyway he is very injury prone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    It’s funny. I said this on here years back and got lambasted at the time, including by the Celt Editor afterwards. I remember thinking at the time one swallow doesn’t make a Summer and unfortunately that was the case. One good year at the time hasn’t stayed the norm.

    In fairness to him, it doesn’t help that he has constantly had to play through injury for the county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Has it been confirmed their absence is due to the new manager? Smith is getting married and needs to recover from recurrent injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    McEvoy involved in the Sigerson. Maybe wants to focus on that for the early part of the year.

    There is no break for players compared to other sports. Niall McGee , Ryan Tobin are playing into December and possibly jan with the club. Then into a county panel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Oisin Kiernan will be a be a loss. Usually solid in his performances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Bduff1


    Its the Denn Oisin Kiernan not the Castlerahan Oisin Kiernan I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Kiernan from Denn wasn't part of the panel in 25. He opted out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Thunderbirds




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Motions to change the definition of a club and to introduce 11-a-side competitions are the GAA’s demographics committee’s first moves towards tackling rural decline.

    Their report 'No One Shouted Stop – Until Now' was launched in Croke Park on Thursday and details the GAA’s plans to address the stark reality of rural depopulation and urban overpopulation it faces.

    Establishing new clubs where the existing ones are challenged by the large swathes of people moving to the area and enshrining existing ones in rural Ireland where they struggle for numbers are key goals

    As things stand, the ability to field a adult team in a championship is the definition of a club but that could be amended by a proposal at Congress in February, says national demographics chairman Benny Hurl.

    A club that maybe isn't fielding at adult level now, but which maybe has an underage unit, if they do and if they're playing in games and competitions and championships, then you will be awarded club status. A lot of the small clubs have said that this is what we want. It basically is reflecting what the clubs want, what the counties want.

    “It's not a threat to anybody. It's only going to enhance and make the association stronger. And as well as that it sends a message to the small, weakest, most vulnerable clubs that you do belong, that there is a place for you. Because at the minute they probably feel under pressure. This is a sort of a lifeline to them.” 

    The second motion, if passed, would allow for championships where there would be less than 15 players a side.

    “The rule in the book right now says that adult championship must be played 15-a-side,” Hurl points out. “What we're proposing, very simply, is to go down to 11-a-side. That will allow county committees to organise competitions at 11-a-side. And that will help the smallest, weakest, most vulnerable clubs.” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    Cavanking may not get his wish of clubs folding going by that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I think you’ll find it was Peter Quinn who said we’d too many clubs in Cavan long before I did. Write him a letter if someone having that view is keeping you awake at night.

    We already have clubs manipulating underage dispensations so now we are going to introduce it to adult level. Wonderful.

    Did anyone attend any of the forums on change for 2027? It was certainly brought up at the one I was at the ridiculousness of clubs arguing they need to amalgamate at juvenile levels but then entering two teams at the age level!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    Peter Quinn report was waste of money really it wasn't taken seriously.

    You don't get the amalgamation thing atall can you not see why two teams would be entered?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    No I don’t. For example, Lacken & Gowna could field separately at U15 level in 2023 in Division 3. In 2024, they amalgamated for U16 (change to evens so exact same squads), go into Division 2 and win the championship, fielding a second team at a lower division. To make matters worse, they did the same in 2025 and win Division 2 League before going to the Division 1 championship final - highlighting the fact they never should have been in Division 2. Again, fielding a team at a lower Division. You tell me where any of that makes sense?

    There was a full table of football people couldn’t understand these amalgamations at the sitting I was at. Amalgamations should be because you don’t have the numbers to field a team so two teams joining shouldn’t have the numbers to field two teams.

    Dispensations are available if you’re short numbers. For example, clubs even field 11 a side at some age groups.

    As one man said, throw all these amalgamations into one division and leave them there and you’ll see how many continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    Thats obviously trickery and the County Board should not be allowing it.

    I don't think you still get that some clubs may only have a dozen lads and the other could have 18 so they need to keep as many playing and enter two teams.

    Amalgamations are here to stay and there will be alot more at underage in years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Was there a decision made on the U2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭rrs


    Was there a decision made on the U20 game between Ramor and Gowna? Score was taken down wrong and the championhip on hold.

    They should go back to knockout next year. Players of that age are getting lots of football anyway.

    Post edited by rrs on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    If you’ve a dozen lads, pull up a few of the younger age group and field 11 or 13 like most clubs do.

    The majority of amalgamations could be avoided if clubs really tried. A lot of it is trickery to try and win competitions. Nothing else. You can only throw out hearsay, no concrete examples of where it was needed. I can throw out plenty more examples like the above to the contrary. The Gaels & Killygarry amalgamating a few years back!?


    Word at the meeting the other evening was that Kill/Drung have realised it doesn’t work and are going it alone going forward rather than amalgamating and entering two teams as they regularly did previously.

    Go to a meeting and get involved and you might understand these issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    I'd like to know what clubs are at it to win competitions ?? Southern Gaels obviously and that Gaels/Killygarry was a joke but I don't believe in general that is the case in reality.

    11 a side isnt the solution you won't develop many lads for Senior playing that.

    Be interesting to see what Drung and Kill do i can't see that been done away with and what i heard a 3rd team wants to join them and will be with 2 years.

    FYI I'm a comimitte member in my club and was at one of the discussions last week so I have a fair understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 breffnitightlips


    I don’t how anyone has come to the conclusion Kill/Drung doesn’t work, it’s a longstanding agreement going back decades. It’s also one parish so makes sense to amalgamate at underage anyway.
    A positive from some of the recent fixture meetings is a possibility of a return of double fixtures for 1st and 2nd teams!

    Hopefully going forward u20/minor & reserve competitions will be handled better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭mylestheslasher


    I completely agree with your comment on clubs not trying hard enough to go it alone. I am not involved in Cavan GAA club scene any more but I can see it in Sligo where I live now. My club is small and tries its best to go it alone. We start by looking at our national schools every year - how many kids are in those that should be in our club. We actively go after them all and we aim for 100% retention, we typically get 90% plus. We field at all age groups. Our hard work though is getting harder as other clubs dont bother - its easier to join up with someone else than do the real work of the GAA. So when 5 years ago we were competing strongly in B, we find ourselves pushed into C and still playing amalgamated teams!

    And the biggest joke of it all is it doesnt work. It favours the 6/7 strongest players at a point in time -usually when those players are 12-15 years old. The test are on the scrap heap most likely and will stop playing before adult level. Again, when I look at the teams I coached in our club the best players are very often late bolters who would not have been in the top 6/7 and many times the lads that were top 6/7 lose interest, go travelling or whatever. So I am convinced that amalgamations at young ages very often harms the clubs involved.

    I will say that there are exceptions - in North Mayo close by there are tonnes of very small clubs that need to join up as they just dont have numbers. Think Corlough and multiply. I have no issue with that where its a matter of survival

    In my opinion it is the role of the county board to audit the schools in the catchment of each club, refuse to allow clubs amalgamate that have big numbers in their schools and put the pressure to compete back on the clubs to develop their coaching officers and coaches. Stop listening to their excuses about whatever - other sports, refugees etc - its usually all bull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    How many national schools is in your catchment area, you are hardly struggling for numbers if you have multiple schools feeding players into your club?

    On your retention you are keeping 90% that would not be normal up through the age groups how do you manage that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭mylestheslasher


    2 schools. One 5 teacher and one 2 teacher. To put it in context we dont field any team without 3/4 lads playing up.

    We get kids out by going into schools ourselves and not relying on county board and calling parents directly if required.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭celt262


    U do well to have 90% of lads still playing from u12 to minor.



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