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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭john boye


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    I can understand them using this 'every 15-20 minutes' format downroute but surely the timetable at the terminus should have actual departure times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Arhanedus


    I don't mind them using the frequency thing if it actually made any sense. Like, it'd make so much more sense to group departures that have the off-peak frequency, then show the departures that have the peak frequency, and then show when it switches back to off-peak.

    Instead, you get this game of guesswork where it just says "15-20 minutes" and it's up to you to guess which one it is at the current time. Makes the timetable sheet completely useless…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The issues eith the F spine roll out are

    1. Lack of bus priority on the southside
    2. Lack of bus priority at Whitworth road
    3. Buses not turning up

    The 23/24 going via Christchurch was a brilliant initiative, it gave a decent north-south route for the west of the city centre, instead of every single other bus doing quays or ocs.

    Weird how instead of solving the actual problem parts they just take away the only beneficial part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    They do say it's an "interim" measure, so perhaps they're reverting it to the old 26 routing to Merrion square (via Rosie Hackett Bridge) while they look at how Bridge Street, Christchurch, etc. can be improved in terms of bus priority? That's my theory anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,830 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭john boye


    Perhaps on super frequent routes but not on less frequent routes and not at the actual terminus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Sticking any buses up or down Bridge St is a nightmare theres a reason there were none there before .. All that traffic diverted from the city centre has to go somewhere to get onto the quays or across the river as it is now really the only place to do so west of OCS its busy literally ALL the time. Stand at the top of Bridge St and watch - its frequently too full to enter ( and leads to huge traffic menaces like taxis and other queue jumpers coming up the side).

    Reversing St Augustine St and maybe a northbound lane allowing exit to the quays at Bridgefoot St/Watling St would also take a huge amount of relief.

    Would have been ideal to stick them down Capel St/Parliament St but the do-gooders put paid to that one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,830 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    What I mean is they haven't changed anything since the 90s. Same old shite.

    A lot of the stops now have no times and they want you to rely on the abysmal TFI app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭VG31


    The "do-gooders" made Parliament Street, Capel Street and Liffey Street much more pleasant by pedestrianising them. Dublin has a real lack of pedestrianised areas compared to other major European cities.

    The lack of provisioning adequate bus lanes and restricting car traffic through the city centre shouldn't impede pedestrianising areas, which are an improvement in almost all cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Utterly disagree . I walk up and down them daily to and from to work and have done so for 20 years+ . Complete do-gooder nonsense that just cuts off circulation in the city. Instead of using them sensibly as bus diversion routes to - for example - the Dame st plaza you just get silly stuff like this. Parliament St and Capel St would have been ideal routes to try and take some pressure off OCS and Dame St for buses ( I'm not talking about private cars ) but oh no we have to end up with this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    A silly comment. There's more than enough space on Bridge st and Christchurch for proper bus priority. Capel St and Parliament St were never really suitable for double Decker buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Was hoping the refreshed S6 timings from 1st Dec would improve thing, but things are still a mess with cancellations.

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    3 buses in a row cancelled (18:15, 30, 45) meaning an hour long gap on a supposedly 15 minute frequency route - witnessed these myself in person too! People can't make connections with other routes if services run like this and it undermines the whole project imo. Bus connects and all the rerouting in the world will never work till this kind of thing is sorted out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭VG31


    GAI clearly have a serious driver and/or mechanic shortage. That level of cancellations can't be blamed only on traffic, particularly the late evening and night ones.

    The only GAI route I really use is the N2 (thankfully not for work) and certain departures are cancelled most days.

    The 10:35 to Clontarf only operates as far as the Ballyboggan Road a lot of the time. From looking at Bus Times, the bus then usually goes up to Finglas to operate the 11:28 N6 to Killester. That's not a traffic problem, that's an operational issue.

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    It was also partially cancelled on the 1st December https://bustimes.org/vehicles/ie-186?date=2025-12-01

    The 15:40 to Clontarf and the 15:45 to Heuston are also often cancelled. Both are the first of the two extra afternoon/evening peak duties.

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    DB obviously have issues as well but I haven't seen this pattern of certain departures being cancelled routinely for non-traffic reasons, at least on the routes I use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    When there's a pattern, there's always a reason. My guess would be that the 1540 N2 service is either part of a split duty, or the first run on a late. Either way, they've always been given the bare minimum amount of buses by the NTA (combine that with excessive traffic and a shortage of mechanics and you'll see why "the bare minimum" can't work in Irish public transport). So most afternoons, their depot in Ballymount resembles a waiting room, full of drivers waiting for buses. I presume the NTA doesn't fine them for these cancellations either (because it's their fault too), so there's no incentive to improve things.

    Dublin Bus has far bigger staffing issues, but they're usually a lot better at spreading the cancellations around and avoiding two or more consecutive cancellations. I'd argue that that's far more important than the overall reliability statistics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Will the 14/15 or Their renamed D spine routes not run down there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No they won’t.

    The A-Spine will follow the F-Spine routing from Cuffe Street to O’Connell Street.

    The D-Spine will operate via Winetavern Street and the Quays.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Thanks for the info.

    Thats quite few buses per hour northbound going up aungier street/georges st up to Dame street then.

    I understand why - having cycling to/from work that direction every day the road so narrow and with little to no bus lanes. Can sometimes take a 14/15 20 mins to the mile up to Dame street - you'd walk quicker.

    When about is the D spine meant to launched?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The reason is nothing to do with road width, but rather to prepare for the pedestrianisation of College Green and the eastern end of Dame Street.

    The next phases will be D, A, B and Ranelagh Radials, and at some point the O.

    I wouldn’t be expecting any further phases to happen until late 2026 or more likely early 2027 - aside from the recruitment issues (each of the next two phases require a LOT of extra drivers), the slow pace of electrification of the depots is now delaying things significantly (I understand that there are issues with the power supply to the depots).

    Hence we are likely to see the currently 38 2006 AX's that Dublin Bus are operating making it well into their 21st year of operation in 2026.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Paul_798


    I'd have thought that the O spine needs to launch with or before the A spine. The two main routes along the SCR along Harrington Street were the 9 and 16 with 68 and 122 as more minor routes. The 9 is already gone with the F spine and the 16 will go with the A spine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The availability of sufficient charging equipment for additional buses (as opposed to replacement) will dictate when the O happens along with the ability to recruit the significant number of drivers it will need.

    Remember that there almost 100 2007 buses to be replaced after the AX are withdrawn.

    It also needs a huge number of additional staff which means I suspect that it won’t happen with the D or the A but rather on its own.

    The re-routed 72 will fill the gap should it arise.

    I wouldn’t be too worried - none of them are likely to happen anytime soon.



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