Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

Latest I've seen is from the published minutes of the AHCPS Executive Council Sept. meeting on their website (published in the last couple of days) so applying to AP and PO:

"Update on Local Bargaining claims. A further engagement was held with DPEIPSRD on the 27th of August. This was attended by the GS and DGS. There is broad agreement in relation to the 1% claim for 1 September this year. Further engagement is required on the remaining 2%. The figures provided by DPEIPSRD in relation to costings are as follows: PO Bargaining Unit 1% = €1.67m and AP Bargaining Unit 1% = €4.2m. The figures for our 2% claim are: PO Bargaining Unit 2% = €3.34m and AP Bargaining Unit 2% = €8.4m. The next meeting will focus on the Management Side “asks” and a detailed conversation around the costings of the claims".

There was something put out awhile ago, and might already be in this thread somewhere, that management side asks overall included shifting all payments to fortnightly and expenses to monthly.

Spoke to a union rep and he said if it was a straight percentage it would have been agreed already but far more difficult to cost the 'drop points 3,5 and 7 and remove waiting time for LSI' type arrangements being sought.

I think they have just been counter offered by DPER, Forsa will review and decide the best course of action. Be January or February before we get action

the deals are too complicated. even % increases don't work when staff who earn under 50,000 get a flat increase complicating things further. then whatever the hell local bargaining is at the moment…

there needs to be a permanent indexing to RPI the same way the pensions are treated. if there's an admission that pensions need to be indexed, you can't in good conscience say that can't also apply to salaries. otherwise it's just going to be Building Momentum 27-30, 31-34 etc.

maybe not, but that would be inclusive of increments (which i appreciate not all receive) but at the very least it would give a more solid foundation for what we have now.

the last BM agreement was less than CPI over the same period (for staff >50k) but still 90% of union members voted for it. never mind RPI over that period!

What if you're already at the top of the scale and the scale only has one LSI?

If that's the case for people affected, the 1.25% is calculated on todays wage and then 1% agreed added in February 1st. If things are not agreed and run after Feb 1st that would be a nightmare for the NSSO to calculate back money.

Going on how things are progressing there's every chance it could run will into March before we see anything from LB.

An increase of 3.5% to the absolute maximum points of the Clerical Officer Scales was the original claim. That's some come back offering 1.5%.

Yes, you're right - 1.25% - Very hard to know if this will be accepted.

After several months of negotiations between union officials and the Department of Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Sector Reform and Digitalisation (DPER) a formal offer under the local bargaining process has now been received.

The offer applies to clerical officers, executive officers, administrative officers, and higher executive officers working in the civil service, and is phase one of the overall claims lodged on behalf of those grades in recent months. 

The offer includes pay increases of 1.25% at the maximum point of each scale and introduces point ‘skips’ within pay scales.

Deputy general secretary and head of the civil service division, Éamonn Donnelly said: “We welcome the offer received from DPER and are now preparing a ballot of members in the civil service.

“It is important to note that the offer is phase one of the overall claim only and maximises what was achievable within the 1% of payroll quantum available.

“The offer reflects what members told us they wanted to see achieved using local bargaining. This approach effectively shortens the pay scales, while remaining within 1% of payroll costs.”

The terms of the offer are as follows:

For clerical officer and related grades in the Civil Service

• An increase of 1.25% to the maximum of the scale, and an incremental skip at point 11 of the pay scale (on completion of 1 year at point 10, the next point of progression is point 12).

For executive officers (standard and higher scales) and related grades

• An increase of 1.25% to the maximum of the scale, and an increment skip at Point 10 of the pay scale (on completion of 1 year at point 9, the next point of progression is point 11).

For higher executive officers (standard and higher scales) and related grades

• An increase of 1.25% to the maximum of the scale, and an incremental skip at Point 6 of the pay scale (on completion of 1 year at point 5, the next point of progression is point 7).

For administrative officers (standard scale) and related grades

• An increase of 1.25% to the maximum of the scale, and an increment skip at Point 10 of the pay scale (on completion of 1 year at point 9, the next point of progression is point 11).

For administrative officers (higher scale) and related grades

• An increase of 1.25% to the maximum of the scale.

For service officers, cleaners and related grades 

•   An increase of 1.5% to the maximum of the pay scale.

If accepted, members would see the increases backdated to 1st September 2025, the date by which the first phase of local bargaining was due to come into effect.

Éamonn continued, “This is phase one of the overall claim, the remainder of the claim will be pursued under the remaining 2% of payroll quantum available after June 2026.”

He concluded: “Now, it’s back to the members. We listened to what you wanted from local bargaining and have done our best to deliver it. This ballot will be your chance to have your say on the offer.”

Members who are eligible to vote will receive details of the ballot by email in the coming week.

Remember there were multiple different claims by multiple different unions.

Alot of members get nothing, good luck in passing it……..

I think it's more that there is no immediate benefit to some members but everyone who skips a point on the scale eventually benefits or retires on the top of the scale will benefit for the full duration of their retirement?