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Western Rail Corridor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Bodan


    At the meeting, Minister of State for Transport Seán Canney confirmed that funding is available for the project, and it will be included in the National Development Plan.

    It was confirmed that works on the line will commence within the next 18 months, with clearance of the route expected to start next year.

    "For those of us councillors who have been on this campaign for as long as we can remember, it was a historic day," Cllr Murray said.

    "The line is in situ; there is no planning required. It will go to tender, and procurement - there are no impediments. This line could be opened within the lifetime of this council."

    I dont understand the skepticism , it seems pretty cut and dry to me this is going ahead. We will know more when they announce details of the NDP, in a few weeks.

    Post edited by Bodan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    No RO required, great.

    No PP required, great.

    So it can move straight to design, great.

    Is there much civil work required, new structures - to be done by a civil contractor?

    Or is it straight to track-laying by IE?

    Will there be any station between Athenry and Tuam?

    Will there be any station between Tuam and Claremorris?

    If so, will they require PP?

    What about the level crossings?

    What will the max speed be? I hope 160 kph.

    What will the service pattern be?

    Ballina to Galway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Anything beyond track and signals will need PP

    Many of the bridges will need to be refurbished or replaced, lots of decisions about how to deal with the mass of level crossing, so build bridges etc well that’s PP

    Need stations, car parks etc, that’s PP

    The route will need some significant civils to bring it up to standard

    RO may be required where parts of the route have been adversely possessed by others so they can get a CPO

    Beyond a certain point it’s easier to go RO than rely on a stack of PP applications

    What you need is to get a business case, a positive CBA, approval of IE, then NTA, then DoT and cabinet as the cost will exceed the NTA’s authority

    All said there are 6+ projects already through planning which will suck up resources for the next 5-10 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭Razor44


    From the announcements and debates on the dail and seanad recored, its seems to be as good as confirmed. It seems there will be a major push for ten t funding for the wrc.

    Id assume nothing been mentioned re planning (for alot of up coming projects) is due to the updated legislation thats in the pipeline for major projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    6+ projects already?

    Do you mean the 4x DART projects?

    And what else, CACR?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Metrolink, Luas Finglas, DART+ west, DART+ north, DART+ southwest, Midleton, thats 6, 4 of which are fully approved, one has a JR pending and Metrolink the window to file a JR is about to close

    DART+ south part 1 and Cork electrification are already at consultation stage

    Add in all of the Bus Connects projects are approved

    Trying to resource and fund all that in parallel is already pushing way beyond our ability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 FlataytoOne


    Some of my earliest boards memories of the mid noughties is the hamsterwheel of the anti WRC thread that went on here. Pages and pages of “it’s not happening” going on and on. Very much a political space with a few obsessives echoing each other & going feral on outsiders, instead of a space to ask questions. So much of troll culture, bad faith posting, attacking the man, all that rot you see online that put authoritarians in power & destroyed trust in science & medicine, it was all here 20 years before. Not as vicious of course, but a microcosm of what was about to come.


    I wonder how they’re doing with this news?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most "it's not happening" stuff was in relation to the huge push to get Claremorris - Colooney open, and opened first.

    That is, as far as we can tell, still not happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 FlataytoOne


    i’m gonna be insufferable with photos from that line in here when it opens…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭metrovick001




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Paddico




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,511 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How is it likely to operate once opened ?

    Would it be a Galway city to Claremorris service and then change if you wanted to get to Ballina or Westport ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭spark23


    Imagine so with probably direct Westport to Galway and direct Ballina to Galway in the morning maybe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Westernview


    What about Athenry? Change needed there or will it run on to Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭spark23


    I meant id imagine during peak they would run Westport-Galway all stops, Ballina-Galway all stops, then off peak would require maybe change at Claremorris, all depends of frequency i guess, would these routes require 2 hourly frequency or more. Ideally id like to see hourly think it be revolutionary for the area combined with hourly or even 2 hourly Westport to Dublin. If properly promoted and used it could only make the case for Claremorris to Sligo stronger. I hope the section is double tracked from the start to allow all these services into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I presumed that Westport trains would run to Dublin, as now.

    And that Ballina trains would run to Galway.

    With Claremorris becoming the crossing point.

    Is that possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,511 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Ideally id like to see hourly"

    Limerick to Nenagh gets 2 trains a day so just wouldn't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭OisinCooke


    I reckon they’ll run the line the way they run the existing WRC, and treat Tuam from a Galway perspective the way Ennis is treated from a Limerick perspective, with more commuter trains between Tuam and Galway than intercity trains all the way up the line. I suspect most of the current Athenry services will be extended to Tuam.

    Hopefully they time the services more usefully though, especially to have a pre-9am arrival - definitely from Tuam, but hopefully from further north also.

    I like the idea of the Ballina services continuing to Galway and crossing the Westport train at Claremorris. Is there capacity for this though, because the line between Claremorris and Westport is single track with no loops…

    And @spark23 sorry to burst your bubble but the line will definitely not be double tracked. That would require large amounts of land take because the line was only built to single track standard, and given the government just want this open as simply as possible (a method that has positives and negatives…) they will be sticking to the route to a T unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Is there capacity for this though, because the line between Claremorris and Westport is single track with no loops…

    What's needed to allow the capacity there I wonder? The 4 tracks can be seen here side by side. 2 of them seem to be for the old Ballinrobe line but it looks like the room is there to tie in with the WRC.

    Maybe you are referring to delays from the Ballina train waiting for the Westport train coming behind it or vice versa.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/fSqawa4oWHsZxeBm7

    Screenshot_20251206_113844_Maps.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭OisinCooke


    I meant was there capacity to send Galway Claremorris trains further down the line towards Westport, given that there is no passing loop between the two stations. Ballina is quite probably as that’s only a small portion of the line, so trains could be arranged to pass at Claremorris



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It's worth reminding everyone that according to the Viceregal Commission railway map on Wikipedia that although Athenry-Tuam was built to heavy rail standard Tuam-Claremorris was only ever light rail standard which has implications for the depth and strength of the foundations. This reopening will basically be a complete rebuild to modern standards.

    Map_Rail_Ireland_Viceregal_Commission_1906.jpg (3063×4167)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The alignment has some sharp curves. Hopefully these will be straightened out, but Geuze, there is no possibility of anything like 160 kph. Whatever the original alignment was engineered for will still be the case (curves notwithstanding).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,107 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If this gets prioritised over DART+ South West, as now seems likely, it'll amply illustrate just what a crazy country we live in.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,511 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You seem obsessed across multiple threads with the idea this is a one or the other situation.

    If the rest of the country has to wait for the myriad of projects Dublin needs nothing will get done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    For any reinstatement of further intercity services further along to Westport after coming from Galway, putting back in the loop at Balla and / or Castlebar would make sense.

    It is a terribly long single section from Claremorris to Westport. You can cross a train that is coming off the Ballina branch, but not two Westports on that section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    I could see the level crossings between Milltown and Claremorris on the N17 causing significant issues if they leave them all in situ. I don't think there is any precedent in the country for 4 active level crossings on a short stretch of national primary road with AADT of 10,000 vehicles per day. It will be extremely messy and frustrating for N17 users. The amount of LCs will also mean the line speed will have to be quite low (probably 100km/h) so train users will miss out also.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell they’ll reinstate those level crossings on the N17. The NTA would never allow that. One section of the line could be realigned to avoid two of the LCs, but the other 2 LCs would require a very significant realignment of the railway line so they will have to be bridged.
    But most likely all four LCs will be bridged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I read somewhere that bridges are planned but I can't remember where. The N17 is too much of a priority route to interrupt with crossings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    That level of intervention is getting close to a RO. NTA has no say here it’s IE and the CRR in terms of safety requirements

    if they so desperately want the WRC then they can sit in traffic, be careful what you wish for…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,107 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well we're not overflowing with expertise in the area of designing and planning rail projects, so yes it is one or the other

    Whatever happened to cost/benefit analysis? Or, as now seems to be the case, post-Foynes, that just doesn't matter any more provided there are votes to be bought

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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