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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,078 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,053 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Grandstanding no-mark backbenchers want super sekrit security briefing in a public forum. What could possibly go wrong?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭tippilot


    What type of C-UAS capability are we looking at? EW based or the kinetic effector variety?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Don’t think it’s actually been provided yet, given the way the committee was talking about it. For once I agree with the Shinner that as usual we’ve left it late for something that was clearly going to be needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    from some of the earlier comments it suggests there’s a reluctance to risk shot downs over Dublin so I’d bet EW based.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    In a bit of a random question, has the French frigate broken down or are they trying a sales demo? Cause she’s been in Cobh for some time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its also Flying an Irish Tricolour so i reckon we have just tried to claim it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Paul Murphy and RBB would just die from abject rage, while Gibney would have to think about painting her nails again in protest (while trying to figure out how to Nationalise social media…), but that's just port courtesy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,078 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    She could begin by whitening those piano keys in her head.

    But perhaps they should turn their attention to this.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Oh so us asking nicely not to fly drones didn't work out… Insert Shocked Face!

    Any chance the mandarins in the various departments might for once get their heads out of their arses and figure out that a) this was going to happen, and b) we are 6 months from having many more delegations arriving in Dublin. For the love of God, stop stalling and start buying!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,078 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It may already be too late. It may require extensive begging of the use of ships like the Auvergne to patrol and interdict shadow Russian vessels, three or four of which came closer to Ireland around the Zelenskyy visit earlier this week.

    And from which, there must be little doubt, these drones were deployed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭davetherave


    It is an embarrassment, but what if we put our tinfoil hats on and this was a great play by the DF. 😂

    Just get the engineers up on howth head, send up some of the uavs, oh **** the red circle on the map that we asked people not to breach has been breached and we have no way of stopping them. Is that going to get the chequebook out now for what is neeedd for EU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    We actually had more than one Naval Ship deployed in Dublin bay along with several Air Corps Assets. Why did they not fly him in to Casement rather than Dublin. Casement would have been more secure woukd it not?

    If the Drones were over the ship Why did they not shoot the drones down with the 20mm or HMG. Would they have been a fear of were the rounds would have come down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    CUAS systems for Baldonnel haven't been ordered yet, so it would arguably be less secure than Dublin Airport that invested in some anti-drone systems a while back. As for the Yeats engaging the drones… Manually aimed secondaries at night at small targets? That's a recipe for a lot of rounds going places they shouldn't, besides which I'm sure the SG would demand to be asked permission to fire first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭tippilot


    Edit, already posted.

    Hardly a surprise. Chickens coming home to roost etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    This part in the Article is real chickens coming home as well.

    A high-level meeting between An Garda Sochána, the Irish Defence Forces and senior civil servants with responsibility for national security was called yesterday in Dublin to discuss the incident.

    There was apperently a bit of confusion of who was in charge of certain aspects of the security. But that should not be a suprise as many Government reports have highlighted when it comes to security roles such as between Military and Garda Intel there needs to be clear guidance to who does what but course the irish state shrugs it shoulders and says we will get a round to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 cranberry1


    Lol ,what assets does Ireland have , joke of a country .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭RavenP


    @cranberry1 Ireland clearly does not have enough assets, that said it had the capability last night to bring down the drones if it needed to. Almost certainly the radar on the Casa-295 picked the drones up, and it was seen from the naval vessel (although the ship has no dedicated AA search radar, they may well have been picked up on the ships X band and S band radars, which are actually half decent). The naval vessel also has fairly sophisticated AA armament in the form of a laser guided 76mm gun, which probably could have successfully engaged the drones. There is a perception that Ireland has no assets, that is actually wrong, it has a fair bit, just not close to what is needed in the changed world Ireland find's itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭sparky42


    To be fair, if whatever drones were positioned with the city behind them, I can't see any ships captain getting permission to fire with the chance of landing shrapnel in the Capital, particularly as the 76mm doesn't have any anti-air rounds. Ideally though it might drive home to the Powers that be that the ship upgrades (radar and secondaries) can't be long fingered as they currently are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭vswr


    That Kelvin Hughes is a maritime radar, so the signal processing will be optimised for finding targets against sea clutter.

    It does have a helo detection mode, butdoubt it's any use against drones (or any radar being of use if the drone is overhead).

    Any naval vessel (well any that aren't Irish) will have a dedicated airborne detection suite separately for air targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Negative_G


    The AC 295 does not have the capability to detect and/or identify airborne targets, save for transponder equipped aircraft.

    Save for seeing something out the window with the naked eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭RavenP


    As far as I am aware that is not the case, it can detect aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭vswr


    Detecting drones isn't just using radar to physically detect them…

    The 295's have the Sitaware ISR platform installed, which allows spectrum monitoring along with modular add ons into the detection suite.

    If they were commercial drones, they would monitor the known video feed frequencies quite easily.

    The journal story for me doesn't add up. The fact they were able to say they were military drones (by frequencies in use, potentially?), and suspected came from the north (when they were on station on the south of the city).

    Also explains why the PC-12 was up the following day. It has the ISTAR suite, which has better detection and location capabilities… but again, on the south of the city.

    Was probably all hands on deck to get that serviceable and in the air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 cranberry1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 cranberry1


    Id assume the pilots were wearing nods anything with a ir signature will light up like a christmas tree .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Which bit of the Story dosnt Add up? Defence Forces saying thats AGS Area we did what we were told or AGS saying thats Defence Forces business? or DOD saying whats going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,078 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Meanwhile the Oireachtas National Security and Defence Committee asked for a closed door meeting with AGS, DoD, DF, and officials from the National Security unit in the Taoiseach's department, to discuss an agenda concerning national security matters.

    Guards: "No."

    DoT: "No."

    DoD & DF: "Well, we'll send a mandarin or two and Brigadier Staunton in charge of cyber defence, but we'll only talk about cyber security and undersea cables, cos everything else is none of your business. Okies?"

    🤷🏼‍♂️



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