DCC wants to rename Herzog Park

Of course.

In the false equivalence with the NI conflict, there's something particularly nauseating about the hypocrisy of people in the south, who were so terrified of seeming to support the IRA that they threw all northern nationalists under the bus* every chance they got, starting with Jack Lynch and "We will not stand idly by" as they stood idly by, but also most of the population, who considered us basically savages - I was told that about "you northerners" more than once when I was a student in Dublin.

And now that there's no possible risk to them of the troubles spreading south, now they're rewriting history to make out that the IRA were freedom fighters and that they always supported them "really". FFS

* Look at how John Hume was excoriated by southern politicians and in the southern media for talking the the IRA. Now of course they're all for the Israelis talking to Hamas who have sworn to eliminate them - something the IRA never said.

But the move is clearly linked to the current situation in Israel, rather than past Israeli history. Even if one strongly disagrees with the renaming and thinks it a crass move, there is a definite connection between it and the ongoing genocide and war crimes in Gaza. Such a move would presumably never have arisen with the Council pre-October 7th.

I don't think these councillors thought through what they were doing though and how their actions would be perceived. They were naïve if they didn't expect a backlash.

But the move is clearly linked to the current situation in Israel, rather than past Israeli history.

I mean, that's my point. This is a man who died long before Oct 2023, and who had the park named after him not because he had been in the IDF, nor indeed because he had helped liberate Bergen Belsen, but because he had been instrumental in what was hoped would be a successful peace process.

If his actions before the Oslo accords were still problematic (in which case why is Gerry Adams considered ok now?) then the time to have a campaign to remove him was back then.

Removing the name now is just picking on the only Jewish person we can humiliate here, and negating his attempt at bringing peace to the region, in effect taking sides in favour of violent attacks on civilians, as long as they're Israeli ones.

If it wasn't just a cheap antisemitic attack on an Irish Jew, we would be actively celebrating his attempts to bring peace, to show that Ireland's problem was with Israelis' actions NOW.

It is almost like a “Cold War” version of the troubles for a new generation. Most of it is background based. Products of their environment.
I still think the councillor who picked this particular park has that twisted mindset for the new generation. The “struggle” being fought vicariously through another distant land. Only this time it is for clicks and views.

If I was a youngster I would fall for it, that is who this type of thing is aimed at. Voters who want to be seen to be anti establishment.

These days though I see through it. It doesn’t sit right with me at all. It solves nothing only creates controversy and sows mistrust and division. While also cheapening Irish History.

The BTEA allowance and "basic income from the arts" payment is funding a lot of them. The latter payment created to win over SF/AAA/PBP voters.

Why is some 4ft nothing smelly girl with blue hair, piercings, steel framed glasses and an elevated BMI worth €325 when someone with Down Syndrome on disability is only worth €200?

Renaming Diamond Park too after an alleged car thief

Wow you're reaching there!

Yes of course they did - that was the point. But did Gary Glitter participate in the closest thing the Middle East got to a long term solution and peace between Israel and Palestine, or did his paedophile proclivities just get found out later on? Removing the honours that had been given to him in light of stuff that wasn't (officially) known at that time was a perfectly sensible thing to do. What wasn't known about Chaim Herzog in 1995 that we now know?

A more relevant comparison (it would be hard to find a less relevant one, TBF) is why Gerry Adams has been forgiven all his past IRA activities and is now almost an international statesman. Or why Sean Russell, a man who died while actively conspiring to help the Nazis invade Ireland, still has a statue in Fairview Park.

Indeed. But like the "modern" SNP, they're all about performance and virtue signalling, not about independence at all.

(He also spoke Irish better than most of those eejits do.)

Sadly not that simple. Can't pour that tea back into the pot. DCC has shown itself to be antisemitic and has only backed down under pressure from a panicked government. There's been no change of heart or realisation other than "Oh ****!"

Tbf theres two of them not just tayto. One thread cant possibly contain the nonsense so it has to spill out.

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