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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    "A hairdresser who attacked a woman in a homeless shelter, pulling clumps of hair from her head has been spared jail.

    Shauna Kavanagh (35) set upon the victim during a confrontation in the kitchen when the woman accused her of stealing an Easter egg.

    Kavanagh also sat on the woman and repeatedly punched her in the head in the assault, leaving her “terrified.""

    Hairdresser who pulled out woman’s hair during attack in homeless shelter avoids jail | Irish Independent

    This individual is a transwoman so before Self ID this assault would not have happened as it was in a woman's shelter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This proves the point beautifully. The number of cases of men identifying as women to be violent are tiny, an infinitesimally small number of cases. That's why you had to go to LA and UK to come up with examples. It never ceases to amaze me how those who claim to be all about protecting women will search the globe for that tiny number of strange cases, while they turn a blind eye to what actually happens here at home, in Ireland. Shall we take a quick look at what cases went through the Courts and Gardai last week reflecting the experiences of women in Ireland;

    Even women's statues aren't safe here, with DCC having to take further measures to stop people groping women for a laugh;

    And at policy level, here's what women are having to live with;

    These are the men, violent men attacking and assaulting women, often the men in their own houses, but posters here are more interested in posting about the bogey trans person in LA or UK than dealing with what actually happens to women in Ireland on a very regular basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    The maddest thing I've heard recently is men (who identify as female) but who also claim to be lesbians !!!

    Totally bonkers concept. I'm told they also take their meat & two veg along for the ride (excuse the pun) which makes a total mockery of the true meaning of being a lesbian.

    Being a lesbian does not involve male genatalia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,288 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    that poster is previously on record that ALL men want to rape women, so that wouldn’t be a stretch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    How can you not understand that this is why women have to be hyper vigilant about letting ANY man, however he claims to identify, into women's refuges, or even act as "female" therapists etc? Dr Beth Upton said he would have no problem carrying out an intimate examination on a woman who wanted a female doctor because (apparently) Upton thinks he is female.

    Even if every single "true trans" is a gentle unassuming soul who, unlike Sarah Jane Baker or Barbie Kardashian or Kate Doliatowski or Amy George etc, would never harm a woman, other men will, and do, use any way open to them to access more victims more easily. Men have become priests, or doctors, or police officers in order to abuse women - why on earth would anyone imagine that no abuser would ever think to put on a dress and go into the women's changing rooms, or ask to assist at a gynaecological procedure performed on a colleague ("Rose" in the Darlington nurses court case)?

    This is the disaster of self ID. Any man can announce they they are a woman and there is no way of checking who is real and who is not. In Ireland it's even worse, because it's actually the law. At least in the UK self ID was a tolerance, not a legal obligation, and so, hopefully, can be more easily ended.

    But what you are really saying is that these women don't matter.

    Well, some of us disagree with you. And are not going to stop saying it.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There is no 'disaster' of self-id. This is an invention. We've had self-id for years, with no fuss or drama, until it became a social media thing.

    How can you not understand that if you ACTUALLY want to protect women, you've got about a thousand bigger targets to go after before you come after trans women. This targeting of trans women isn't about safety or protecting women, it's about punishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I'm happy to go after all of them. And I think my record on here shows that. I'm regularly accused (by male posters, natch) of misandry for posting about various sorts of male violence against women, not only trans by any means.

    And I certainly don't need yet another male poster explaining to me how to be a better feminist. 😏

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I don't understand much of this post, I've no idea what 'aging AGP' means.

    What I mean by trans is transgender, someone born into the wrong physical gender. We can swap dictionary definitions all you like, but that's just a distraction.

    If you talk to trans people and their parents, they'll often tell you that they 'knew' at 4 or 5 or 6. The trans woman I know best talks about praying to god every night as a young child that they'd wake up as female. If you talk to gay people, they'll often tell you that they knew they were gay from similar ages.

    Trans children exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    But you don't go after them. Your posts about the 'dangers' of trans women are about 1000:1 more frequent than your posts about the men who are actually violent to women every day in Ireland. It's not a great look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭aero2k


    What about whataboutery?

    You should point out that a statue of Christiano Ronaldo has suffered the same fate as the Molly Malone one. It is interesting though that you seem as concerned for the safety of female statues as you are for the safety of actual women.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wait till I tell ya about the fella who wanted to marry his horse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That looks like a fairly horrific attack, but blaming it on self-id is a stretch. Are you saying that this person identified as female years before specifically so they could get into female spaces to carry out assaults?

    Is the presence of one trans woman a huge problem for that shelter in Rathmines, or perhaps is the years of under funding and huge demand for services their huge problem. Where were the protectors of women for the years of under funding of the shelter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    AndrewJRenko

    "Wait till I tell ya about the fella who wanted to marry his horse."

    Yep, just about as crazy as a bloke pretending to be a lesbian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yet again, searching the globe for that tiny number of strange cases while turning a blind eye to what's actually happening in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    You do realise that posting here doesn't actually correspond to doing anything IRL, right? All it does is show interest, but the number of posts depends more on the interest a topic gets from other posters than on time spent on the subject IRL. Some threads get lots of replies, others don't. The trans ones do. But you obviously haven't been on many of the other threads where I've posted - I don't know if I've ever even started a thread on trans issues, but I have started a couple about MVAG, such as the Gisele Pelicot case. So I think your impression comes from the fact that YOU only see me on these threads. Because of your interests.

    someone born into the wrong physical gender

    FYI, gender is not physical, that's sex. And you can't be born into the wrong sex. Gender is just a collection of stereotypes expected of a person of a particular sex in a particular society at a particular time. It's not fixed in the way sex is.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭George White


    I must admit, I, an AMAB person have been assaulted by a (cis) woman, and I feel I have to be extra-vigilant about any woman, after I was assaulted by a woman on the bus. But I don't feel I should patrol transmascs 'intruding' on my spaces.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭George White


    I did try to calm him down and seriously ask about does he consider trans people as misogynists and homophobes, and while he acknowledged that, he seemed far more obsessed with the idea of them as nonces.

    With Linehan, I feel too many people who are gender-critical are afraid of criticising him, so you have a load of people making absolute melons of themselves by saying, 'Graham is a decent man and I support him' and not 'Graham Linehan needs severe help'. Instead, they exploit him, like he's the **** Elephant Man, making him more angrier and more intolerant for the LOls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    You see, I don’t find that at all. He’s been in for a lot of criticism from everyone. Not just trans issues either, he shoots first and thinks later. I’m curious as to why he’s so thin-skinned and why he often isolates people to have a go at in public who he feels haven’t supported him. Petulant man-child vibes.

    Women’s rights and protected single sex spaces are not about him, but about women. Everyone comes around to logically thinking about these issues in their own way ( if they’re capable of critical thought, that is), and he needs to take a step back and develop some objectivity. It’s not personal to him only in so far as he says his gender critical stance resulted in the loss of his career and family.

    He’s fighting his own demons there and it really has little to do with his thinking, more so on his delivery. An air of “Why can’t I shout about this from the rooftops in anyway I see fit and fook yous all for not supporting me” Has that ever worked for anyone on any issue? No.

    BTW, lots he says I agree with, but others not.

    “Female is real, and it's sex, and femininity is unreal, and it's gender.

    For that to become the given identity of women is a profoundly disabling notion."

    — Germaine Greer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I think you are the one turning a blind eye - responding to all sorts of things in my post that aren't actually there, while studiously avoiding any engagement with the substance. I abhor violence against anybody apart from self defence, but that's not what this thread is about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's quite possible that he needs help, but I don't know what you think women are meant to do - force him to go to therapy? He's a grown-ass man.

    Seems like blaming women for something a man does.

    Something we see a lot of.

    That's pretty much my opinion on Linehan as well, except maybe I have more sympathy for him than you seem to. I think he is/was a comedy genius, and that for complicated reasons he has lost what could have been a glittering career and shedloads of money.

    Unlike what that self-satisfied little pest Emma Watson said about Rowling, I think the best that can be said of Glinner is that it really is true that:

    And the worst would be that he's not a lot better than some of the entitled males that women complain about. Just, in this case (mostly) on the same side as women. But I don't believe in ignoring someone's inappropriate behaviour just because I agree with them on the substantive issue. Because there's always a point at which you disagree with them, and their real character will be turned against you then too.

    Like I say - the jury is still out for me on that. But I don't see him as a knight in shining armour by any stretch of the imagination. Just one of the rare men who, for whatever reason has taken women's side, and I am grateful to him for that. Despite his flaws.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You speak as if ALL women are on one side. They're not.

    Lots of women are hugely supportive of trans rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Again, I didn't say that. There were plenty of women against giving women the vote back in the day. But we don't have to pretend they were right, do we?

    Consent is a personal thing. No woman can give consent for men to be in female spaces with all women. No matter how little it bothers that woman personally.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    None of us, male or female, get a veto on who we share a bathroom with. What bathrooms would you expect Jamie and Jackie to use, from my earlier tweet.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Self ID enabled it.

    You're a great example of how we've gotten to where we are. At no stage do you, or any politician or trans activist, ever stop to think about the effect on the rights of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So you think there's no such thing as a single sex facility then?

    I could have sworn there used to be though. Maybe we should just bring them back?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    🚹️ GENTS

    🚺️LADIES

    ♿️ DISABLED / Other



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I know that none of us get a veto on who shares a bathroom with us. What bathrooms would you expect Jamie and Jackie to use?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I've thought about the effect on others a lot. I haven't fallen for tabloid scaremongering about the effect on others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't see your tweet, but if Jackie is Jackie Green (and Jamie I've no idea) I would say that they should use the bathrooms of their biological sex, or the gender neutral individual ones, but that in practice if they "pass" well enough for people genuinely not to notice (as opposed to being too afraid to complain) then I don't care if they use the other toilets, as long as nobody else cares.

    But if someone complains, then they should potentially be fined for sexual harassment, depending on what they did that called attention to them. Because by their appearance and/or behaviour they are acting inappropriately.

    Post edited by volchitsa at

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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