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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    yah just cows. Incalf heifers are perfect. Only a handful of top lumps

    The wildlife crew from the dept are actually in the area atm. The badgers we had in our wood aren’t there atm, sets are dormant. We have lads in shooting Deer and any they have shot have been spotless. They got a 4 year old stag back in September the first week of the season and he was clean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Shite …..it’s a balls especially now just before spring but you’ll get through it ….be proactive in getting reactors gone asap …heap of paperwork coming your way just pick your valuer ….put all your reactors into sales catalogue ,ebi report ,milk recording report from recent recording and have them ready to e mail to him …your 60 days to first retest dosnt kick in till reactors leave farm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We're locked up since September , we've sold our autumn born calves and culls to a feedlot, very happy with the prices tbh. First time in over 30 years having reactors here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    My own vet wasn’t advising it any way. Would say I’d need bigger numbers

    Okay for calf accommodation. Have a new Calving shed. Old shed will hold calves now. Will need to set out an existing calf shed better though. Fine for baby calves but not to rear calves for 12 weeks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭degetme


    First time in over 30 years being locked up with tb here. Any chance is could be in the genes with ai straws?? A neighbour with always stock bulls is the only farmer around here clear and the rest of us doing ai have had tb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    there’s options now for calves and culls to sell to feedlots and some marts are running tb restriction sales which are returning decent prices ….you can buy in under permit too …..and nitrates won’t be an issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Ye, The first thing I was thinking was all the extra stock we'd have but there was an ad on donedeal of a feedlot looking for calves, only thing he mentioned was no jex. When he came for calves he bought the culls too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭degetme


    I would blood test. We had only 1 positive on the blood and she had no lumps on the skin test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    okay for cow numbers. Hadn’t sold anything pre test. Will need to move on culls but was more than likely going to factory half of them any way

    Not worried about calves either. Have space if feedlots aren’t giving proper prices in spring



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Was 3 weeks after test before reactors went here, with Christmas coming hopefully you'll get rid before then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Mf310


    I would try avoid it hear of a few false positives with the bloods aswell dont think department push for blooding anyway unless its a bad outbreak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Pivotal and seville have shockingly bad tb resistance scores, given the amount of daughters they have plus ai sons on the ground it makes alot of sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Neighbour had 6 skin reactors last autumn, department got him to blood the herd voluntary, with the promise of been allowed to buy back in, they took 67 off the bloods, and not a single lesion in the group bar one in the original six



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭degetme


    You'll never get to the root of it with the skin test. Your only kicking the can down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Ah, i took you up wrong.

    It's quite doable to grow 20 bales over 3 cuts without any artificial N in a well functioning biologically active soil. But even cutting it back to 15 bales, that kinda changes that NUE figure which is now based on the net 5 bales extra that the 120 units is producing bringing you back to roughly -55%. It could be even lower if we assume a lower N % in the non fertised silage say even -40%

    This is very much on the lower end of the scale, which should be expected given the efforts you make to reduce your N usage below average.

    Compaction is the big risk to organic N cycling.

    Pretty sick to see Bayer getting in on soil health, as my wife says disappointing, but not surprising.

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    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭degetme


    Blood is meant to pick up infection earlier. He still had lesions in 1 skin reactor. I've had skin and blood reactors and no lesions. How soon after the 1st skin test did he blood??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Is the lesions not just a sign they've had it for a while just because they've no lesions doesn't mean they dont have tb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 mike3215


    Over 40% lesions on skin reactors qualifies for depopulation. A lesion doesn't develop overnight and in most cases would be the size of the top of a match so can easily be missed. Sign of chronic infection. Skin test detects after 42 days. Blood is sensitive after 2 weeks to exposure to tb hence more sensitive and less lesions. I think over 20% blood reactors with visible lesions is considered a chronic infection. Make sure to find out the lesion types aswell as their presence on the PM. This can show more as to how they picked it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I’ll ring my vet in the morning and see what he says. Hes been testing for us for 40 years and is in the local factory every day checking carcasses. I’d be happy enough to go with what he recommends



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,789 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    First time ever for us last year with tb and stock bulls used here.

    The dept are **** up the badgers with tb vaccination or they're using higher strength vet reaction jabs that were never used before or both combined.

    Livestock farmers lost the battle in this country when the dept filled their ranks with tillage farmers and the boards in johnstown castle showing dairy and beef sequestering carbon were not allowed be shown in the farmer's journal or farming independant the following week. And who did that only the farmers journal and Farming independant themselves. And these are supposed to be representing farmers. If little jimmy was in a wheelbarrow his picture would be in the journal. But this not allowed. From then on cows were made the enemy in Ireland. Unions are rolling with it because it upsets tillage farmers if they don't or they think they are going to be completely rid of tb altogether going with this new plan.

    But at this moment in time it looks like a dirty stroke by gov to bring bovine numbers down to hit emissions targets. And everyone is happy bar the fools with no representation the herd owners.

    Our one voice before, Aidan Brennan changed his tune when Siobhan walsh brought him to Monsanto's climate change soil health centre in the US. Before that he was savage. After that he was neutered. Whatever they had or did to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,789 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Had the bloods here and tested positive and then went clear. But you'll hear of those having bloods and still going down with skin tests after.

    None of the stock here had lesions in the factory. So I was told I caught it early. But still over three tests stock testing positive between skin and bloods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,789 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We got locked up due to a neighbour having reactors and we weren't told. I was not happy. There were reactors in.a group adjoining ours. He'd been locked up since May and I only found out by word of mouth in August. He was saying his reactors were clean as a whistle in the factory, meaning they didn't have it at all. So when we tested and had a reactor in the group that were joining his it made sense that she'd had tb longer than his probably had. 2025 the year that keeps giving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Reading posts of farmers in England with no contracts for their milk to be collected, that'd be torture



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I've often thought that, historically, the people of Britain suffered as much and more from their masters than we ever did.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Theirs going to be carnage their next spring with alot of processors going to implement severe a and b pricing, they simply havent the processing capacity..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The new rules from the action plan for herds over 80 cows is mandatory blooding of herd where over 5% of cows go down as reactors our 10 our more cows on a single test, you"ll escape having to blood the herd id say for the minute, where they all reactors our a few inconclusives that where upgraded as reactors...

    Biggest issue now is your next and subsequent tests will be severe interpitation any bottom lumps 1mm bigger than top lump are automtaic reactors



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They'll make great inroads from now on, lads will just pocket the compensation money next year and not go restocking till 2027 if they bother at all, with where milk prices are heading



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