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Five years on, what did COVID teach you?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    NPHET was gerrymandered to spit out a single answer - lockdown.

    The Govt. didn't want to be presented with a range of options and opinions around mental health and economic impacts because then they would have had to make decisions. If there's one thing our politicians fear it's making a decision they could be held to account for at a later date.

    It was easier for them to put a load of single-issue, career bureaucrats together who would act like nodding dogs whenever Dr. Tony opined about shutting down the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭jacool


    He lied about it, while preaching to everybody else.

    He only fessed up when shown proof that he had been "out and about" hence the bollicky-bill story about checking was he OK to drive back, etc. He went to be with his family, while others were obeying the rules he was involved in creating. When I say "his family", I don't mean "in the car with his wife, who lives with him anyway". I mean, he drove to his father's farm, 300 miles away, in Durham. So yes, 300 miles is more than 5 km. This was not a drive to "a castle", a wander, and back home again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    95% of adults took treatment which reduced their chances of dying from a new virus (vaccines reduce the chance of death/hospitalizations from the virus)

    Nitwits and anti-establishment and "I'm not a sheeple" types took Ivermectin or drank bleach or didn't get vaccinated and then unnecessarily died in ICU's.

    Reading the testimonials from ICU nurses on people who couldn't believe they were dying from a "fake disease" and a "little flu" is harrowing stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Covid taught us there are people who will not follow basic common sense rules because they are literally too stupid to understand them, or worse they are blindly against anything from any authority figure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    What Covid taught many is during fraught periods, return to following their "gut instinct" and ignore some obvious outcomes.

    Do now, worry about the consequences later.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,806 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Worse was those useless fùcks were wasting an ICU spot to someone who didn't want to win a Darwin award.

    The unvaxed shouldn't have been let into ICU and left to cure themselves with bleach until they cured themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Many would their mental health and stress levels improved with the lockdowns, so considering the lockdowns were the exception to the norm I'd be more interested in mental health studies on why there's elevated stress in normal conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,289 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Hardly need studies, just look at many people's lives. Some are under so much pressure rushing around to keep everything going that a flat tire could cause things to fall apart. Covid freed many of that pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭foxsake


    but the vaccine did little to stop that.

    What testimonials from ICU Nurses in Ireland? I cant find one eyewitness (nor remember anything more than a politican like leo or MM) report saying what you said.

    Well I didn't drink bleach - however I didn't die in the pandemic of the unvaccinated (as per Leo) , in fact did anybody who didn't take the vaccine die? Stats would indicate it was all people who were already ill and over 83 year olds who died.

    Yet we sacrificed the young kids and their development - see Baroness Hallett report in UK. The same happened here.

    in ireland we had vaccine passports at public gatherings for months after NPHET knew the vaccine didn't stop transmission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    but the vaccine did little to stop that.

    Yeah, you can keep telling yourself that delusion if you like but it doesn't change the facts. The unvaccinated were vastly over-represented in ICUs for a reason.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yet we sacrificed the young kids and their development - see Baroness Hallett report in UK. 

    The report that said 23,000 deaths in the UK could have been avoided if they locked down when we did?

    knew the vaccine didn't stop transmission.

    The vaccine greatly, greatly reduced transmission. There is no such thing as 100% effectiveness.

    If a few selfish anti-vax conspiracy theorists had to wait a few more months to have pints and burgers, good enough for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    No doubt some believe that seat belts do not stop accidents, and so are not needed. But as recent event showed they do help a great deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It also taught us that common sense isn't very common when it comes to governance. The proposal to close pubs at 5pm, 1h45min maximum time in a premises when it spreads in less than 15 minutes, 5,000 people at a rugby match one weekend and 50,000 the previous weekend. An 18 year old had to be protected - against a disease that killed very few people under the age of 70 - for the good of his own health before he could enter a premises. No facemasks when sitting down but they had to go on when standing up

    Looking back some of these regulations were nothing short of daft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    What if the pandemic had happened in 2010 rather than 2020, the government wouldn't have been able to close down so much of the economy and pay out the PUP payments. They wouldn't have been able to afford tony holohan or nphet . They would have been forced to make difficult decisions. The only reason they were able to have the long lasting lockdowns was because the bond markets were prepared to lend them money in 2020 which they were not prepared to do in 2010.

    How would pascal donohue have fared if he had been operating in the 2010 rather than the 2020 government financial situation ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭OrangeNinja


    It taught me to always go with my gut feeling that the media feed us doom and are best ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,571 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Some places once you had your meal it was 'normal service resumed'

    Remember the 'outdoor drinking only'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Most places it was normal service once your meal was served. Actually eating it was not required.

    But it still did the intended job of cutting down customer number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


     An 18 year old had to be protected - against a disease that killed very few people under the age of 70 - for the good of his own health

    It was made very clear from day one of the pandemic that most of the restrictions were about controlling the spread and protecting vulnerable people.

    Is it more important that an 18 year old can go out for a pint than an 80 year old survives another year? I guess that's a matter of perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭foxsake


    if you read more you'd know there was no need for a lockdown of the length and severity.

    The vaccine greatly, greatly reduced transmission. There is no such thing as 100% effectiveness.

    nobody asked for 100% but as low as 13% effective when in households… a lot higher in social settings.

    for all that restriction , money spend , social cost and of course hype when most people never needed it.

    was it worth the cost? no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not all the media. Certain places were largely ignoring what the govt were reporting on and focusing on the vaccine development, studies about how numbers are being reduced in certain places.

    For example I remember Luke O'Neill on the radio the day after the govt went into "Lockdown Christmas 2021" talking about how omicron was more contagious but easier to detect and has been proven to make people less sick. Basically that we should be less worried about the reported figures on it

    Despite only outdoor drinking being allowed the jacks were inside and that was fine. You couldn't make this **** up like. Anytime the numbers increased the govt lost their sh1t as well. 20 cases daily was enough of an issue to keep us locked down

    Then there was the travel rules. They said you needed to stay in your country but then gave us a "green list" but then you weren't stopped from going anywhere in reality. People flew to Spain for some winter sun where everything was open and then chastised on their return as if they'd broken numerous laws



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Some cliquey pubs "reserved" certain tables for their favourite regulars when it came to outdoor drinking - saw it first hand when we tried to book a table one Sunday afternoon - we were told "all booked up" - noticed that some tables had "Reserved" on them. Walked past the same pub 2 hours later and the same tables were still unoccupied….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Orban6


    The vaccine did not stop you contracting the virus, nor did it greatly stop the transmission of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    When you consider that there is no such thing as "no risk" in any part of our lives. The risk of the 80 year old dying was minimal before vaccination and with vaccination was through the floor. The risk of the 18 year old dying, even before vaccination, was crazy low

    It is always important to protect our elderly, just as much as it is to protect every other person in our populace. We did that by closing down nursing home access to the public and moving potential-but-untested COVID patients from our hospitals into our nursing homes. In hindsight the second part might not have been a very good protection measure

    I'd argue, putting pubs to one side, it is important that the 80 year old you refer to sees his/her family as much as possible before they die but we seem to have lost sight of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    but as low as 13% effective when in households… 

    Source?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Pubs still do that because they want to look after their regulars, nothing new there. If the pub back then wanted to "close the doors" at 11 o clock for their regulars they didn't want an outsider there who might have reported them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    For the alpha/delta variants, vaccines (fully vaccinated) cut deaths and hospitalizations by up to 80% to 90% (depending on age)

    For the later variants like Omicron that dropped to about 50% to 70%

    Most of us have had Covid, it's survivable - but keep in mind it still killed around 7 million people globally, roughly one in 280 Americans died as a result of Covid-19 so far.

    That's why in later stages, when most of us were vaccinated and there was only a tiny portion of adults unvaccinated - a majority of people with Covid in many ICU's were unvaccinated.

    Covid got wall to wall coverage for a long time I saw plenty of interviews and read plenty of articles about ICU nurses and doctors treating patients.

    e.g.

    "It’s bizarre to watch an individual chastise the nurses and doctors about Covid being fake as they sit on the floor gasping for air while a cytokine storm roars in their lungs. The time between each word is drawn out while they are trying to draw in as many breaths as they can. “Would you like the oxygen back on, sir?” a nurse will inquire after another failed escape. They accept our help back to their room. Regain their breath with help from the oxygen. And then the escape plotting starts all over again. Another patient who was on a ventilator kept telling us Covid wasn’t real after they regained consciousness."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/18/its-bizarre-to-see-a-covid-patient-deny-covid-exists-while-gasping-for-breath

    >"in fact did anybody who didn't take the vaccine die? Stats would indicate it was all people who were already ill and over 83 year olds who died."

    Yes.

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    Here are the UK figures (age adjusted mortality rates per 100,000)

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    Self explanatory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    Then there was the travel rules. They said you needed to stay in your country but then gave us a "green list" but then you weren't stopped from going anywhere in reality. People flew to Spain for some winter sun where everything was open and then chastised on their return as if they'd broken numerous laws

    That was in summer 2020, because we got the covid numbers so low other countries also with low numbers allowed us to travel to their countries. I went to Budapest that August, Hungary was a green list country everything was open there like normal. Of course the media were guilt tripping anyone who travelled even though it was an EU scheme to get Europe opened up again. If Tony had his way nobody would have been able to travel but that was one of the few areas where the government allowed european politics to trump Tony holohan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    "It’s bizarre to watch an individual chastise the nurses and doctors about Covid being fake as they sit on the floor gasping for air while a cytokine storm roars in their lungs. The time between each word is drawn out while they are trying to draw in as many breaths as they can. “Would you like the oxygen back on, sir?” a nurse will inquire after another failed escape. They accept our help back to their room. Regain their breath with help from the oxygen. And then the escape plotting starts all over again. Another patient who was on a ventilator kept telling us Covid wasn’t real after they regained consciousness."

    This quote reminded me of that guy who was in hospital in Donegal, the Italian bloke came in and convinced him it was all fake and the hospital staff were going to kill him if he stayed, so off they went. Three days later, he's dead (of course).

    Absolutely mental times, and bizarre seeing people on here still claiming, years later, it was all nonsense and nothing to worry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Less visitors to the house or interaction with neighbours since the pandemic - apart from the odd visit from family members . People seem to have continued with keeping themselves to themselves or maybe that's a societal change in general….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    There were some fantastic value holidays available in 2020. Also a very comfortable airport and airline experience.

    I don’t think very many people were able to ignore the incessant fear-mongering to take advantage.

    I don’t consume any RTE media so I guess that was a big advantage for me.



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