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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    how do posters see this situation evolving. Is there a settlement imminent or unattainable currently? As one who loves reading and am interested in politics it is a fascinating issue. And I know, without being reminded, that it's not fascinating, for those for whom it is a matter of life, death, destitution, migration etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    ruzzia is winning this war so bigly that they have had to beg the North Koreans for help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    I've estimates showing that the Russian gain rate over almost four years would need to continue for nearly a century before they take all of Ukraine, but does anyone have a projection of when they'd run out of soldiers at the current attrition rate?

    It just seems the that Russian tactics never changed so the Ukrainian drone wall of death simply has to retreat and advance when and where needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    There are still Russian families who think their loved ones are gallantly battling away on the front line.

    If the war ends and they still don't come home, it'll raise uncomfortable questions for the Kremlin…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Difficult to predict what will happen here. Putin views Ukraine as Russian and as part of the Russian Federation. Many analysts suggest they can't imagine a permanent ceasefire happening soon, no matter what Marco Rubio is saying currently. The Ukrainians themselves are sick of war and would like it to stop immediately, but the Russians and Putin are the fly in the ointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    easily dealt with by just claiming that they defected to the Nazi's in Kiev/The West, so no bottle of vegetable oil and a bag of onions for that widow….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    An agreement to end the war just doesn't seem viable. I think both sides are paying lip service to the proposals because neither want to upset Trump or be seeing to oppose peace. Legal recognition of Russian claims on occupied territory is going to be the key sticking point. The Russians will insist on this and the Ukrainians will oppose it completely. Neither side is going to back down on this, so I don't see how an agreement is at all possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    They «run out of» soldiers near daily thanks to the meat grinder, and that particular function could potentially keep going for many years before they run out of meat for said grinder.

    What is more interesting to consider is when will they run out of functioning guns, ammo and field rations.

    If your unfortunate untrained conscript can’t be supplied with even a rudimentary weapon, be armored with a helmet or even be fed or watered…they are not a soldier. They’re just a target. The less the Russians have access to, the less able they will be to actually fight anything with.

    It would potentially take many years to run out of troops…but getting to the point where Putin’s victims can no longer fight due to lack of materials might happen much sooner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    All the headlines today are about talks between Ukraine (who want peace), the USA (who want peace) and Europe (who want peace). And lo and behold, Trump says we are seeing "big progress" !

    I can't see any other possible stumbling blocks to peace, so probably the war ends tomorrow ? 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Ukraine need to churn these out

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Exactly. They can't be relying on tomahawks or any other uncertain or limited missile source. They need their own.

    They've already seen from the drones that Russia is unable to defend the skies across its vast territory, these missiles can do some proper damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭ElektroToad


    This latest peace proposal is a circus. Whether you read the US/RU version or the EU counterproposal that emerged from the Swiss talks, neither proposal is a credible starting position that could form a base of negotiation.

    All eyes on the Thursday "deadline" set by Trump in his attempt to force Zelensky to sign off on what is essentially a surrender document and puts a target on his back for the rest of his days.

    Personally, I think this will fizzle out to nothing once the media tires of it, and this conflict shall rumble on into 2026 and attention will return to the frontlines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think everyone now works on the "distract Trump" schedule. Trump pronounces a totally unacceptable reiteration of whatever was last said in his ear, now Zelensky knows to say "thank you for such deep insight, lets discuss detail".

    Trump does't do detail but it gets everyone to the following week when he's moved onto something completely different so this weeks vomit is forgotten. rinse and repeat until he has a stroke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You left out the one party who doesn't want peace….

    One assumes that the Russians knew that their supposed 'peace plan' was nonsensical and would probably be rejected (though perhaps they felt it might pull the rug from under Ukraine and they be forced to sign it at gunpoint under huge pressure from Trump).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    A little tangential/retrospective but was Trump's 24 hr claim built on disinformation whispered to him by Russian agents /Putin in the runup to the last election?

    Were they playing him then when he was at his most vulnerable ?

    Gave him false comfort that there was a real chance of an early ceasefire if he won?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's established now that aside from input from his surrounding sycophants Trump's sudden pronouncement's can be as much influenced by a movie he saw over the weekend or whatever news channel praises him, like maybe Russia Today.

    We look after an elderly person with progressive dementia and they're constantly fixating on news items that could be years out of date but are renewed constantly on her Facebook feed. Like last week she was fretting that we might not be able to afford eggs because they shot up in price. When we finally found the news piece she read it was a US piece from last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Well that may be something that affects many people.

    Personally,I always try and check the date of any article -and don't understand why they are not datestamped on the "outside" but I can't say how common it is for the average person to do that.

    On these threads it is not that uncommon for a poster to have to be told that their link is out of date or ,worse historically shown to be false (eg the recent Trump one where he says the Reublicans are dumb-the poster did not retract btw)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This is typical misreporting by the BBC where an oil tanker is described as a warship. Same happened with the Yantar being reported in UK territorial waters when it was outside them. The misreporting does not engender trust in BBC.

    Two Russian warships were intercepted in the English Channel by the Royal Navy, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said.

    In the latest incident involving Russia's ships entering waters around the UK, HMS Severn headed off the RFN Stoikiy, a corvette and Yelnya, a tanker, as they sailed west through the Dover Strait into the English Channel in the past fortnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    GDP is not the metric that the US uses to evaluate Russia. It is land area and location and natural resources. A border with China and all that coastline along the Arctic ocean. It probably has substantial undiscovered rare mineral resources.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    The plan here is to make Ukraine an offer they can't accept, so now they will seem like the bad guys while Russia look good. Optics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    I doubt anyone fooled by this amateur hour was predisposed to the Ukrainian side to begin with. The stupidity on the American side, from the Axios journalist to Lil Marco, is breathtaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭TerrieBootson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Another problem - the soldiers who do make it home to a ruined economy. Their patience with yet more government lies will be limited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Ukraine should be allowed keep longrange missiles in the peace deal. Let them be a warning to the Kremlin to behave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The progress of the war shows what happens when one side has told itself lies for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trump couldn’t be having that. It’s funny how a war between two countries has a peace deal that focuses almost entirely on one of those countries, the one that was minding its own business prior to hostilities. Perish the thought that Russia’s army should be limited in the future, for example.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    I read somewhere last week that they were running so short of men from some areas that they stopped recruiting and just sent the recruiters to the front instead. Its like a company saying sales are down, sack all the salesmen and send them on to the factory floor to make more product. Sounds like an implosion is coming in some areas quickly and then they have to grasp the nettle of Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's crazy to think this war could rage into a 5th year and countries like Germany and the US haven't sent them cruise missiles.

    This talk about Ukraine giving up the Donbass. I'd be surprised if Russia can take it by force in 2026. Maybe 2027 but if Russia conquer it does anyone really believe they'll stop?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Giving in to Putin’s demands, specifically Ukraine having their army curtailed is all the PROOF the maniac needs to demonstrate he was right all along about having to denazi Ukraine 🙄

    Bonkers.



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