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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    European leaders statement on Russias 28 point peace plan for the Ukraine conflict.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    The whole point of the peace plan is to look semi reasonable to stupid observers(Trump and Vatniks) while at the same time having so many poison pills that Ukraine and the EU can't swallow it.

    The 600k troop thing is egregious because:

    1. Why does Russia or the US get to dictate the size of anything in Ukraine? This breaches point 1 of their own plan: Ukraines sovereignty.
    2. No restriction on Russias military?
    3. Russia will just lie anyway. Much like they did in 2022 they'll just say Ukraine has 200k extra troops hidden in a bunker somewhere waiting to attack Russia.

    Large parts of the document is written ambiguously like this for that purpose. So that Russia can just claim Ukraine breached one of the terms in a few years and invade again.

    The main issue is Trump is very stupid and wants a political win while this whole Epstein thing is churning and bubbling.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    All of this is true, but if it was the only stumbling block it would never get in the way - it is just a sop to their bullshit "Ukraine was threatening to us" narrative. The active Ukrainian armed forces will almost certainly be below that number regardless in a post-conflict environment.

    There are far worse aspects to the whole agreement.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    They had already agreed to that when Ukraine gave up it's nukes. Besides it's also against international law.

    However, Russia previously broke that the first point, with the "separatists", the annexation of Crimea and the actual invasion. (They also shot down a civilian airliner with a missile system you can't pickup on the black market.)

    Repeated violations of the first point on the list over many years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    In Father Ted, one of the priests asked 'what about another mass'. Following the European leaders' activities recently, coalition of the Willing, the EU, the E£, etc I think one could ask, 'what about another meeting'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes global and European. The poster was suggesting Trump was doing it for an energy price decrease for his voters - the US would see only a very minor drop, if even.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Reports of opposition to the plan in the Senate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think the leaders of the countries of the eastern side of Europe along with France, Turkey and a few others should have a meeting with Zelenskyy and ask permission to test their long range strike capabilities on terrorist groups putin has sent to Ukraine. Maybe to be polite about it, then offer putin a deadline to withdraw completely from Ukraine before air and missile strikes from the coalition of the willing kick off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's a Trump-Putin peace (capitulation) proposal. I believe Europe can do more but what specifically do you suggest we do? That won't be immediately rejected by Trump/Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Putin is playing the situation. He is claiming that Russia will accept this, but the second any micro change is made by Ukraine (or Europe) he will claim that it scuppered the deal and blame Ukraine/Europe and continue his invasion - that will be his play here. Everyone but Trump knows this.

    If Ukraine accept the entire (absurd) deal - Putin can reject and continue with the invasion and face zero repurcussions from the Trump admin. If he accepts the deal, sanctions are dropped and he re-invades when Russia is ready go gain ground again.

    Another win-win for Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Sky says Trump now saying this isnt the final deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russia selling the Gold

    The rush to force Ukraine to accept a deal

    And now this

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    I feel things are not as rosy as Russia would like us to believe.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A lot of recent assaults by Russia have been with drones and motorbikes and noticeably lacking in tanks and armoured vehicles.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Europe is importing a lot of US LNG. Any drop in energy prices in Europe is absolutely going to lead to a drop in the US. Global energy markets are incredibly interlinked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub


    The Russian propaganda on the internet has changed a lot compared to last year. When it was US-Ukraine talking about a peace plan, the message was that Ukraine couldn’t keep up anymore and it was the reason for the talks followed by « why would Russia settle for this when they are winning and can get more land? »

    Now that Russia is talking to US, it is because there is no need for Ukraine to fight anymore as the outcome would be the same anyway.
    i guess Russia is talking because the cost to their economy is horrendous and is not sustainable long term. They need an end to this rather quickly or they risk being China’s vassal state (if it not too late already).

    This will turn out to be a masterclass on how NOT to do a war regardless of the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Theres also a lot of corporate greed in this US administration which is playing a role. The fossil fuels companies want to get back to business as usual in Russia's oil, gas and extractive sectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    He seems to be another realist regarding the Russian economy being on the verge of collapsing. Quite amazing how people have been waiting eagerly for it to collapse, but it soon become apparent the ones who suffered most were those who actually imposed sanctions.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    this just looks like Vatnik propaganda.

    How do you feel about the babies that will be killed by Russia this weekend?

    Any thought?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Well thats if we believe the Russian government statistics, and I am sceptical. But I do think China has substantially - but not totally - replaced the trade Russia had with the EU. But its not for free. Occasionally Russian newspapers mention officials saying China wanting to own land in return for developing it.

    A Russian newspaper says half of all Russian clothes shops have closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Jesus, the state of that Twitter account. Essentially an anti-Europe pro-Russia skuttle mill. You know Bricky, if you’re going to pretend to be a neutral player in all of this you really need to do a better job at hiding your pro-Russia leaning when you post sources.

    No social-points for you today brother. Unless of course, you can explain why it’s ok for the Russians to bomb children in their homes? Want to give it a shot?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    We cannot forget the lessons of Irish history when judging this conflict. And in the present, what Russia is doing would be like Britain invading Ireland in the Cromwellian fashion. If its wrong when it happens to us its also wrong when others do it. There are no excuses for what Putin did. There are no excuses for deporting children, forced adoptions, banning the Ukrainian language in occupied territories, the Bucha massacre, the destruction of Mariupol, a city of 500,000 people, and the way the people fleeing Mariupol were in some cases directed on routes that Russia had mined. All of this is barbaric. There are no excuses for the bombing of so many hospitals.

    Also the requirement for Ukrainian to legalise the Russian Orthodox Church, which is KGB controlled and has collaborated with Russian forces, is an interference in Ukraines internal affairs. Religion should not be a flag of convenience for helping an enemy in time of war. Yes people have a right to private practice of religion, but the ROC is an arm of the Russian State. The Russian state gave it a monopoly on tobacco sales in the 1990s and its leaders are billionaires. In the occupied zone, Russia violently persecutes Catholics, Protestants, and the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

    Reports that one of the reasons for recent Russian advances is the Russian Rubicon unit. This is a drone unit that has reverse engineered Ukrainian drones.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian soldiers when tasked with invading on foot.

    "We were drunk. Still drunk now….Kinda"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Senator Lindsey Graham says parts of the 28 Proposals are "problematic". Senator Mitch McConnell says Putin has been spending a year trying to play Trump "for a fool".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Oil is a global market, Russia is a major global producer with supply sanctioned, therefore global supply tightens. When global supply tightens US prices rise regardless of the what the US produces and its energy independence..

    I was referring to the affordability crisis, that is a huge issue in the US. It's not just oil that will fall, other commodities will fall, when energy falls, this will no doubt help with the efforts to reduce inflation. I am not sure how people find it so hard to see the huge geopolitical risk priced into commodity markets with the Ukraine war. If the war ends tomorrow futures drop, this will almost certainly lead to lower prices down the line. The treasury secetary even said they want lower energy so it's quite clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭greyday


    Is this the lad that gave Covid death numbers if the world didn’t shut down completely that bore no relation to reality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Cormac Smith thinks that "this is now an existential threat to Europe and the democratic world". Repeats his suspicions about Trumps ties to Russia. Says Trump "is in thrall with what he perceives as strongmen dictators in general, and Vladimir Putin in particular". Says "this is also an existential threat for Europe". Calls Trump "corrupt" and "venal". Says this plan would "mean the end of Ukraine". Says Putin wants "Ukraine without Ukrainians". Says he thinks Zelensky will reach for "his inner Churchill". Also predicts the breakup of the Russian Federation but says "its going to be messy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We heard the same speculation about the Israel/Palestine/Iran/Houthi/shipping crisis in the Middle East calming down and it's "global effect" - do you feel any cost of living decrease since?

    Russia has a GDP the size of Italy's. Two US states have larger economies.

    The cost of living in the US is driven chiefly by housing costs, insurance costs, healthcare costs, services, int rates and labour shortages.

    If the war ends, sure the needle will move somewhat, the price of oil will get a little cheaper at the pumps (although that's up for debate considering cheap Russian oil is already baked into global circulation), futures risk premiums go down, airline travel may get a little cheaper - but the average American voter isn't going to feel much.

    If individuals want to believe Trump is doing this because "cost of living" for US voters, okay - I don't see it as a key driver at all.

    Everyone can however see he very clearly wants a Nobel Peace prize.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Add this to the short range Russian fpv that took out a Russian heli this year.

    I wonder could boards integrate this feature 😂😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Right, wrong, ethical, unethical, sustainable, unsustainable, good, bad, just, unjust..Big Fossil fuels, big pharma, big tech..they don't give a damn..its all about the dollar.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




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