Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Concerning :)

There are many concerns about this plan, but I can't my head round why Ukraine should have to cap their military at all. I mean its an obvious answer, but why do Russia want Ukraine to have a downsized military?

You then have this idea that the US will mediate between NATO and Russia...WTF does that mean? That would have been like England mediating between the UK and EU during the Brexit debacle. It'd makes no sense unless the US is planning to withdraw from the alliance.

The territorial losses are hard to stomach and morally repugnant, but to be honest at some point Ukraine has to accept they won't get them back territory that Russia has invaded, however giving up land the Russians haven't managed to seize is surely a red line for Zelensky.

This plan may bring short term peace, but there is a real danger it might bring long term war, but this time Europe could be dragged in, particularly if Trump did pull out of NATO.

''Programs for mass treatment and…rehabilitation''. Yes, we know all about the Ruzzian/Soviet tradition of rehabilitation as perfected over the centuries.

Or by insiders who know it stinks.

The European proposal.

is that the million dollar ?

No chance of a deal here, Russia has crazy conditions, that make no sense whatsoever if they really wanted a lasting peace, their conditions only make sense if they want time to regroup and try again.

Quite concerning Bricky.

How's the fall of Pokrovsk coming along....you were crowing about it's imminent fall recently but you've gone fairly quite ?

Sky News report on Far Right Americans moving to Russia because they dont like LGBT people in the West. Say "for God and Providence you were meant to go to this". Also a former Conservative party councillor from the UK. They get so called "shared values visas" and can apply for citizenship.

The American couple who talked to Sky say they were scammed out of $50000 by the person who sponsored them, and one of their sons has gone home after problems getting into a school.

Russian humour. The kremlin dies. Ha. Ha. Russian humour.

Google translate and youtube audio translate did it's thing.

Not a hope will the EU counter be anywhere near accepted. Their proposal seems to have logic so it won’t go well with Putin and Trump.

I really hope that one day you can reflect on what made you want to simp for a bunch of fascist's committing genocide.

It's 9 months since Trump and his lackeys went for Zelensky in the oval office. It feels we've come full circle with his treacherous behavior. No doubt the Epstein stuff has played a big part with the timing. The question is, how much further down the line are Europe now, than they were in February, when it comes to stepping up, if MAGA pulls the bulk of its support?

With the state the Russian economy is in, it seems like a bad joke that so much pressure is being put on Ukraine to accept this ridiculous agreement. Putin might have been removed at this point, if Trump hadn't been elected again.

The Washington Post has run an article which confirms the Ukrainians - in the shape of Umerov - had significant input into drafting the 28 point peace plan. For example, the 26th point, which offers full amnesty for all actions during the conflict, was inserted at the insistence of the Ukrainians. It was not about immunity for war crimes (though it would cover that too). Zelensky and his circle wanted immunity from any possible investigations into war time corruption and skimming of the donated funds. Its not purely a Ukrainian concern either - I would think there is many wealthy figures in the US and Europe who would be happy to not look too hard where all the donated billions ended up in the end.

Umerov also demanded the nominal limitation of a 600,000 strong Ukrainian army. Such a "limit" would allow Ukraine to field the 8th largest military in the world. Larger the militaries of France, Germany and the UK combined, while having a population that is just half the size of the UK and an economy smaller than Hungary. It isn't a real limit which is why Umerov suggested such a figure.

The article also says the reason the US worked on this effort is because the US is now recognising the string of recent Ukrainian defeats means the a full collapse of Ukraine is possible and they don't want to see that. This might also explain why Umerov was willing to contribute to the document and even concede the possibility of evacuating from the Donbass in exchange for a freeze elsewhere.

The Russian reaction to the US plan has not been encouraging - apparently the Ukrainians are desperate for an energy ceasefire, and the US thought the Russians might be willing to accept given the immense damage already done to the Ukrainian energy infrastructure by Russian strikes. However the Russians have said an energy ceasefire is a non-starter.