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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Six people in a car built for five but nothing said about that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's not victim blaming to point out that every single person in that car shares some responsibility for their own death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Pretty sure that is the literal definition of victim blaming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭New Scottman


    Well people have tried on various social media threads but have been shut down by the "Now Is Not The Time" gatekeepers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭Cordell




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    "Victim blaming is the act of attributing some or all of the responsibility for a crime, abuse, or incident to the victim".

    https://www.google.com/search?oq=victim&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=victim+blaming

    As I said literal definition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭randd1


    It is a waste. Because the kids won't eat half the food.

    Because half the food is sh!te. This scheme was rolled out to our kids school, and half the kids don't eat the stuff because it's pure crap.

    In the rush to make it no sugar, no carbs, no fat and whatever other guidelines to make the food by, they've made it bland and tasteless, and pretty much the same thing every day. The lack of choice is unreal, one of my young lads, he's fussy enough, has pretty much has pasta 4 out of the 5 days because there's nothing else there he likes.

    My eldest lad used to like the mash spuds and half chicken breast they used to get. They replaced the mashed spuds with new potatoes, and the breast with sliced chicken. Doesn't like it, nibbles the sliced chicken.

    When it first started, the kids in the school, as a treat on a Friday, used to get a small portion of potatoe cubes/wedges and chicken goujons (the proper chicken breast ones) or sausages. Apparently that was too unhealthy, and now they have rice and veg or something like that. They've gone from everything been eaten on a Friday to half of it, if that.

    Most of the parents have complained that the hot food is a waste of time and the kids don't eat it, and the just send in sandwiches and fruit anyway. Another complaint is why don't they do a simple bread roll once in a while? A roll with ham or cheese or lettuce in it?

    I get the need for healthy eating and wanting every child to have one hot meal a day, but if you're going to make it impossible for the companies providing the food to make anything palatable, or give the kids a treat of potatoe cubes/wedges and goujons/sausages for only one day a week, then what's the point of the scheme.

    I swear to God, they got the most anti-fat, anti-sugar, ant—carb health freak going and got them to make a list of things that that freak thinks should not allowed into a human body, and came up a menu of inedible sh!te for children.

    I'm not saying it needs to unhealthy deli-counter levels of food, but the important thing for the kids is to actually eat the food, so maybe make the food that kids will eat. It doesn't have to be chips every day, but chips once a month, or goujons/sausages on a Friday, most parents will live with that.

    The lack of common sense and understanding of children diets is simply astounding.

    This scheme is just yet another example of very good and meaningful idea from our government, that is horribly executed due to a lack of basic common sense by "experts" to the point of massive financial waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭Cordell


    OK then, it's victim blaming, well needed and deserved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think in extreme cases of neglect of parental duty, parents should pay fines for crimes committed by their children.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I stand to be corrected, but to me victim blaming is unfairly accusing people of bringing onto themselves whatever tragedy has befallen them when they're actually innocent of the fact (e.g. wearing a miniskirt isn't tantamount to asking to be raped).

    If something bad happens to you because you've knowingly done something that would put you and/or others in grave danger (e.g. skiing off piste in late spring when avalanches are extremely probable), then you are indeed responsible for your own actions. It doesn't mean that what happens to you isn't sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭Cordell


    And many more will die if nothing is learned from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nothing is ever learned from road 'accidents' in Ireland (even that word is designed to imply no-one is to blame)

    The Gardai make reports but unless there's someone still alive who can be charged, nothing happens with them.

    If we had a system where (like air crashes) the reports into causes were published then maybe we might learn something.

    But no that'd be 'disrespecting the dead' or some such shíte

    The BBC have a series on at the moment, The Crash Detectives, where they go in great detail into what caused a crash

    But all you'll ever hear on RTE is the brainless 'slow down' mantra.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,753 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I'm not even sure if road deaths are as big a problem in this country as is construed in the media.

    I didn't know anyone personally who died in a car crash, knew far more through suicide, which I bet is a bigger annual figure but won't ever be peddled out after another tragic incident to scare-monger (hardly even mentioned in death notices its so taboo which is ironic). I wonder why?

    And any of the major car accidents seem to be in the culturally and economically repressed parts of the country like the midlands or border areas, which would be more of a local authority issue. No real rally driving culture in my neck of the woods so less mad bastids on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Road deaths outrage is ridiculously exaggerated. What are numbers? 250-300 per year? I mean, the riskiest thing any person does on a daily basis is driving. It’s inherently risky. Less than one death per day is not an outrage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Road deaths in 1978 - 628

    Road deaths in 2024 - 178


    Take into account: more cars and more miles per car - we must be doing something better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,170 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Technically it's not deaths, it's killings. People don't just die by driving or cycling or walking, they get killed, usually by others, but also by themselves. Road killings are an order of magnitude higher than the murders, so it's natural to receive that much attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ireland’s a neutral country. Always found this so stupid. I don’t think any other country and its people stick their beaks into the affairs of others as much as we do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,171 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Can you imagine if plane and train crashes and ship sinkings were treated in the same way? Make an investigation but keep findings private.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But shure everyone loves us, and are just dying to hear our leaders prattle on and tell them what they should be doing. Which usually boils down to sitting in a circle and singing kumbaya and then the bad man will decide to not be bad any more.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,171 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Is that just motor vehicles or everything?

    Back in 78, there were accidents in workplaces and construction that would barely make the news if at all, but would be intolerable now. Somehow road accidents get a free pass, like they're almost expected, unlike a workplace fatality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Globalization was a mistake and is a sh*t way of having the world.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I agree the hot school dinners aren’t needed a lot if the time and it’s mostly just so parents have one less job to do in the morning.
    But I think the company your school uses sounds worse than mine, a good selection of stuff is available including chicken nuggets and cheesy bread. My kid has got less fussy over the years thankfully.


    Probably should just be for Deis schools though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    They don’t claim to be neutral, and are also the world’s most influential, wealthy and connected country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 bonsai25


    I feel the cost of living crisis may have been a contributing factor in this. We are on a good income, two children, but in the last few months it’s hard to make ends meet. I need new tyres for my car as mine are srting to go bald.. but it’s a struggle to find the money.. for young people it might just be money they don’t have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 bonsai25


    we have street lights, hi vis jackets etc for pedestrians and cyclists, less drink driving, better roads(for the most part), better in car safety (airbags, safety belts in the back seats), NCTs now, learner drivers not permitted to drive unaccompanied, and proper driving testing. That is what has been done correctly, to reduce the number of road deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    The drink driving was off the charts in the 1970s and the deaths on the roads back then were the result of this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Plus the cars might as well have been made out of tinfoil, even when not rusted to bits (which they often were) they collapsed on the occupants in any sort of impact.

    Below is the infamous 1994 crash test of the (bodyshell designed in 1975, but didn't go on sale until 1980) Austin Metro. The car was designed to withstand a head-on collision but not an offset one like this test. Many 1970s / 80s cars would have done even worse. The car was still in production as the Rover Metro but this crash test was so bad it forced it off the market.

    Full head-on crash, not bad (crap music alert)

    Offset crash test, likely not survivable for the driver. Even with an airbag, the driver's head is taking a serious whack. There's only half as much metal to absorb the impact forces. Unfortunately on a single-carriageway road you're much more likely to have an offset impact on the driver's side than a full head-on impact.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭sundodger5


    That Seicento one...eek

    Edit... then i saw the proton. Some pretty poor engineering in a lot of those vehicles.



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