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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Calling out Israel's Genocide, settler thugs rampaging, IDF attacking UN peacekeepers, illegal land grabbing, breaching the ceasefire and warmongering against neighbouring countries is not "having a dig" at Israel.

    Presumably you think calling out the poor treatment of the returned Israeli hostages by Israel as "having a dig"? Or that Israel won't hold an independent enquiry into Oct 7th to determine how many Israelis were executed by the IDF is also "having a dig"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭wandererz


    South Africa to refuse charter flights of Palestinians over fears of 'cleansing agenda'.

    Apparently they sent a plane load of Palestinians to SA without the permission of the SA government.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3dgkx419qo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    First of all - it isn't - and second of all, look at the mountain of death and destruction you try to justify with every post you make.

    If you want to call out posts for glorifying attacks, maybe pick posts that are actually doing that (if you can find a single one that is), and maybe don't be shilling for a genocide at the same time.

    Will help with your credibility.

    Then again, your credibility isn't doing too well given you still haven't produced a single shred of proof that almost all NGOs, humanitarian groups and international law orgs inside Israel and out, are antisemetic, as you stated here more than once. I would have thought something so huge and so widespread would leave some visible footprint...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


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    Ah Grok Grok Grok. You're just too honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Not true.


    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/after-un-vote-netanyahu-calls-hamas-expulsion-region-2025-11-18/

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    The people who are blocking this plan are Hamas, those nice folks who started this latest phase of the conflict and who have heaped misery on its people.

    I dont know why you support Hamas through your silence of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems you didn't read your own source nor the BBC report then:

    The resolution was backed by 13 countries on the Council - including the UK, France and Somalia - with none voting against the proposal. Russia and China abstained from the vote. The draft also raises the possibility of a Palestinian state - something Israel strongly opposes.

    I've never supported Hamas - you know that. I don't support the extermination of innocent civilians at all. Seems you do though with all your posted justifications for everything Israel does. Including executing its own civilians by the score on Oct 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,056 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I don't believe that this group will get away with damaging planes and trespass though even if their intention was to stop them being used in a Genocide. I'd have more belief that the elderly people carrying the '' I support Palestine Action '' signs will win their cases. Arresting them was just intimidation and doing Israel a favour. Starmer should swing for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,056 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Nobody needs to invent anything to condemn Israel. They do a fine job of that themselves several times a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Theres no need to. You just have to look at the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As we are aware, Israel bombs and snipes Palestinians in Gaza or executing them in the West Bank.

    But that doesn't seem to assuage the Israeli lust for killing Arabs. Nor do they have any shame in telling bare-faced lies:

    The Israel Prison Service (IPS) told the BBC it "operates in accordance with the law and under the supervision of official oversight bodies". It said it did not comment on figures or allegations from outside bodies. "All inmates are held according to legal procedures, and their rights including access to medical care, hygiene, and adequate living conditions are upheld by professionally trained staff," the IPS added.

    Try telling that to the Palestinian lad who was starved to death or the Palestinian prisoner who was sodomised by the IDF with an iron bar (and was caught on CCTV).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The West Bank is on the verge of "ignition" - alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) does what he does best - lies, even with the truth staring him in the face.

    Netanyahu

    PM Netanyahu said he takes the "violent riots and the attempt by a small extremist group to take the law into their own hands very seriously," stressing that the perpetrators do not "represent the settlers" in the West Bank, and calling on law enforcement authorities to "bring the perpetrators to full justice."

    Yaniv Kubovich

    "'There is no one today dealing with the West Bank,' a security source told Haaretz. 'Everyone understands we are on the verge of an explosion. But no one will stand up and speak…' A senior officer who took part in a major exercise last week with the IDF's West Bank command described the territory as 'the most combustible arena,' even though Israel is currently focused on Gaza and Lebanon. 'We are silent, but one incident could ignite all of Judea and Samaria. The whole IDF would be swallowed up in it,' he said"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    According to some, Israel does not oppose the UN Resolution. Well, at least not in public. In private, they are apoplectic and won't even broadcast the fact that a UN Resolution has been passed that keeps a two-state solution firmly on the table. But worse, alleged War Criminal #1 (at large), who only cares about saving his own skin, talks out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and kisses Trump's a**.

    The UN Security Council on Monday approved a U.S.-backed resolution to deploy an international stabilization force in Gaza, based on President Trump's 20-point plan. The measure says that, with PA reforms and progress on Gaza's reconstruction, "conditions may finally be in place" for a credible path to Palestinian self-determination and statehood. Thirteen members voted in favor; Russia and China abstained.

    Trump hailed the vote on social media, calling it an endorsement of his "BOARD OF PEACE, which will be chaired by me." Netanyahu praised Trump's "diplomatic efforts" and "his tireless, devoted team." His office refrained from addressing the clause on Palestinian statehood in English, and did not mention the resolution at all on its Hebrew-language channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The tired old canard of Hamas = Palestinians rolled out here by pro-Israelis as they clutch at straws trying to land a sucker punch (and failing miserably) is debunked here:

    Palestinian Foreign Minister Varsen Aghabekian Shahin told reporters in Manila that the resolution was "the first step in a long road towards peace," adding that there were still other issues that needed to be addressed, including Palestinian self-determination and eventual Palestinian independence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Presumably they were posing the same threat as those kids playing football on the beach, or the nuns, or those holding white flags (including three of their won hostages), or even the sheep. Or perhaps its just that they they work for the Ministry of Silly Walks and got executed for it.

    The IDF said that troops shot and killed two Palestinians who crossed the Yellow Line marking the IDF-controlled "buffer zone" in Gaza, adding that the two approached the forces in a manner that "posed an immediate threat."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Protests against Hamas:

    A Gaza desalination company that supplies water to nearly half the Strip has halted operations to protest Hamas' unexplained detention of one of its employees. Board member Youssef Yassin told Reuters the shutdown will affect more than a million people, saying he "knows it's catastrophic, but protecting our employees is a sacred issue."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No apologies for the seventh post in a row - whilst some may complain, many appreciate being informed.

    Israel is blocking 4000 pallets of tents and bedding from entering Gaza and providing desperately needed shelter to the population (as required by the ICJ provisional measures and IHL)

    According to the NRC - which has long led the so-called Shelter Cluster in Gaza, made up of some 20 non-governmental organisations (NGOs) - about 260,000 Palestinian families, or about 1.5 million people, are in need of emergency shelter assistance, lacking the basics to get through winter.

    The NGOs say they have been able to get only about 19,000 tents into Gaza since the US-brokered Israel-Hamas ceasefire took effect on 10 October.

    They say they have 4,000 pallets of aid - containing non-food items, including tents and bedding - blocked from entering. Supplies that have been bought are currently stuck in Egypt, Jordan and Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Victims are not counted by Trump, here he refers to Jamal Khashoggi who was beheaded in a Saudi consulate.

    "A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The two planes were back in the air within a couple of weeks!

    Flight tracking data shows ZZ338 was already back in the air on 1 July, less than two weeks after the incident at Brize Norton.

    It flew that day to Glasgow airport and back again, and has since conducted sorties to destinations including RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus.

    The MoD told Declassified on 2 July that the other aircraft, ZZ343, was undergoing routine maintenance and was not in regular service at the time of the Brize Norton incident.

    This aircraft was nonetheless also back in the air by 12 July, flying to RAF Akrotiri and back again the next day.

    The redeployment of both aircraft within weeks of the Brize Norton incident might indicate that the damages were, at the least, overstated within certain British media circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel murders 13 in Lebanon in air strike.

    https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1485448/lebanese-health-ministry-death-toll-from-israels-strike-on-ain-al-hilweh-reaches-13-.html

    An Israeli strike targeted the densely populated Palestinian refugee camp of Ain al-Hilweh, on the outskirts of Saida, at around 9.30 p.m. on Tuesday night. According to a still-preliminary toll from the Lebanese Health Ministry, at least 13 people have been killed. The strike is one of Israel's deadliest since the cease-fire went into effect on Nov. 27, 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭wildgreen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,110 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Well it seems that some of them did more than just damage planes and trespass anyway. Attacking police officers in this manner is a serious crime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The quote in italics below is from a BBC report on 17 June 2024. No mention of officers being assaulted.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw44epnrzkpo

    Kent Police said officers were called to a report of a protest at shortly before 03:30 BST on Monday.

    A spokesperson said officers were at the scene and those arrested had been taken into custody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,110 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    And? That article is over a year old. This is an update from the trial thats currently taking place. Are you saying its made up and the officer is lying? I mean, there's body camera footage of the whole thing. Suppose it could be ai generated by the all powerful zionists 🙄

    Here is a different t BBC article from today, detailing the assaults which were caught on camera



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    you are incorrect again i'm afraid.

    the palestinians are on the correct side of history and always were, as this "peace" "plan" is doomed to fail because of genocidal, racist apartheid israel and it's isis like ideology.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it is well known and has been proven that israel steal organs of palestinian hostages at least.

    it is likely therefore that such harvesting may extend further.

    also, there is no actual seasefire in reality as israel is still raping and slaughtering across the region from lebanon to palestine to syria.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Never ones great at choosing the right side Ze Germans. This'd be what….. their third genocide they've had a hand in?

    Anyway, they're lifting their arms embargo to Israel again now that the "ceasefire" is in place.

    It's funny, the numbers of people being murdered in Gaza still seems to be rising

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    "killed_cum": 69483,    
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,579 ✭✭✭Cordell


    So when Israel turns off the water is genocide, when palestinians do the same is a sacred issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Miniegg




  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    When the Israeli state shuts off water to a population it's occupying for an extended period of time, it's a facet of their genocide.

    When a privately owned Palestinian water company does similar for a limited period of time - no it's not a genocide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,579 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Ok, so the definition of genocide is so flexible as to depend on who's doing it and for how long. Basically it's flexible enough to make whatever Israel does a genocide, and everything else not a genocide.



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