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Navan Rail Line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Screenshot 2025-11-17 at 21.21.43.png

    The 2021 AECOM report and the numbers have considerable allowances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,811 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    5 stations?

    I wonder could somebody list them for me, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    I would’ve thought there was only 4 — Dunshaughlin, Kilmessan, Navan Central, and Navan North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭citizen6


    Feeder bus to M3 Parkway might be ok for people living in Navan within walking distance of a bus stop on the route. But a lot of the potential users of Navan rail line would have to drive to Navan and park, and then get the feeder bus, and then the train, with possibly another change in Dublin city centre to get to their ultimate destination. It's too much.

    There would be significant numbers using a Navan North P+R train station.

    Also significant numbers of new homes could be built if the train line was open, in Navan and along the route. This should resolve any concerns about the CBA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The figure of €3 bn sounds suspiciously like another P95 estimate: basically, the worst-case path where everything that can go wrong does go wrong. The government has definitely started to use these figures in project communications, probably to avoid accusations of cost overruns when the project is actually completed, but it has the unfortunate side effect of making the cost of any future infrastructure plan look like an enormous, unjustifiable cost.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I thought there was going to be one at Tara. I’m willing to be corrected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I don't think it's worth doing for €1Bn.

    There's about 10 other projects that are more important.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The country is awash with money and most of the projects your thinking of haven’t even started planning. They are just lines on a map in the AISRR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    We should still be prudent with money but more importantly we've a limited pool of skilled labour.

    Dart+ and Metrokink will take a lot of skilled labour.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Well such people could also just drive to M3 Parkway, hundreds of people already do that every day.

    Given how underutilised the motorway is, it really wouldn’t make much difference if these people drove to Navan North or M3 Parkway, hell it might even be faster to drive to Parkway. As in you would likely cover the distance between Navan North and M3 Parkway faster on the Motorway, then by a commuter train from Navan North which has to stop a couple of times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It's possible to sleep on a bus or a train, something that’s frowned upon while driving ;)

    Versus a train, I think the time would be comparable if the line allows the trains to hit their 140 km/h top speed between stations. Google says 22 minutes to drive during off-peak times, up to 35 minutes during the morning rush. I’d predict 30 by train at a reasonable average speed of 80 km/h including stops. A coach would be a little slower than driving (buses are limited to 100 km/h on motorways). Both the rail and bus options also skip the €3.40 in tolls every day (one each way) that drivers would incur to reach M3 Parkway from Navan - that toll is the primary reason this motorway is so quiet.

    Daily commuters care more about the predictability of journey times rather than how long that time is: this is where rail wins over coaches, which can’t avoid being stuck in other road traffic. Even if the train took 30 minutes versus the 22 (best case by car), the fact that it was always 30 minutes would tip the balance in favour of rail.

    I do think rail would be a better option, but the high cost is a major factor against it, especially as M3 itself cost close to a billion euro and was clearly built to an unneeded scale: the State had to subsidise the concession by a further €17 million after opening as toll revenues didn’t live up to projections (that is no longer the case since 2021).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    A significant number of homes are already being built along the route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    eah, but each station site could take a good few hundred or so homes in a 2/3 miles radius



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