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Five years on, what did COVID teach you?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    If you opened the link of the peer reviewed study you'd see that it was detected in samples in Italy prior to it being identified in China. It may originated elsewhere, but just because it was detected in tissue samples in Italy doesn't mean that's where it started

    Because Italian authorities were open about detection whereas China were hiding it , therefore they hid the fact that the virus was spreading in late 2019 and the probable origins was the Wuhan live animal market which they shut down very early on. Why did China prevent international scientists from doing an investigation for so long afterwards and then prevented the best scientists from entering the country through visa bans. They obviously were hiding something. Its the playbook of all authoritarian regimes and your fringe view is similar to how russian propagandists spread disinformation. They throw out a whole lot of lies and rubbish repeatedly everywhere in the hope that some gullible people will believe it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Different rules at different times. People forget that. You'd swear we were all imprisoned in our homes at gunpoint for two years the way some go on

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Exactly. Being honest it never really affected me at all, except the very start for the work, but that was lovely 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    have you got a link to these Italian outbreak warnings from 2019?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    From Wikipedia on how covid 19 started and what everyone else knows

    "The global COVID-19 pandemic (also known as the coronavirus pandemic), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. Soon after, it spread to other parts of Asia and then worldwide in early 2020. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) on 30 January 2020, and assessed it as having become a pandemic on 11 March.[3] The WHO declared the public health emergency caused by COVID-19 had ended in May 2023.[4]"

    So your assertion that it began in Italy is just false propaganda and misinformation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    It might have started in Italy, it might have started Algeria, or Roscommon.

    The Spanish flu is suspected to have emerged from very unsanitary animal husbandry on the front lines.

    The link I posted from Italy simply reported that the virus was retrospectively detected in standard Italian samples from patients with lung treatments before it reached it more potent form in Asia.

    Someone else here said it showed up in France too, and there was a report of an earlier version showing up in a sewage sample from spain in early 2019.

    Viruses mutate, sometimes getting stronger before weakening. The Justinian plague that killed millions over decades is now supposedly what we call the common cold.

    I lived in Asia once where flu season is taken seriously, some years could have four different strains on the go. Regional and national travel suspensions were almost annual there. The bird flu h5n1 was happening when I was there and flights to the US and elsewhere were affected.

    I was in myanmar when medieval plague broke out again in northern regions which meant curtailing travel plans.

    The town of Mong Khet in myanmar is the centre of a circle with a radius of 3.300 klm in which 52% of humanity lives.

    That's roughly 10% of land surface holding half of all of us. If a virus is going to gain strength it's there, just as the Spanish flu ripped through the densely packed battlefields of wwi.

    Btw before the Spanish flu there was the Russian flu of around 1890 which is used to explain why people over 40 weren't as suseptable in 1919 as they had probably an acquired immunity from the previous pandemic.

    Who knows, in 20/30 years another virus might really affect those too young to have acquired immunity in the last five years.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This thread is a perfect example of the amplification of the villiage idiot, by social media

    Easy for society to ignore the raving idiot on his plinth in a street. Harder when their platform has wide reach and they revel in the discord.

    They would be the very muppets screaming about the conspiracy to reduce the world's population, if no precautions were taken and our hospital capacity was overrun

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You find out who your really good friends are.

    Rte is a government mouthpiece that spread fear.

    There are some people who couldn't move on when the country did.

    I remember someone here arguing that the majority of people wanted masks after the rule that they were needed was removed.

    All because some poll said 80% of people wanted masks, when the only people taking polls were the ones who couldn't move on when the rest of the country had.

    Despite nobody wearing them on the street someone was using the poll to say people wanted masks.

    Hopefully they have been able to move on since, a lot of people were scared senseless by the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    interesting that you’re complaining about masks (which ended three and a half years ago) but at the same time moaning about people who can’t “move on“



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I moved on years ago, hopefully the people who were scared senseless have been able to move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭seanin4711




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Nature will win in the long run.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    I still use a mask if there's coughing going on around me on planes and public transport, have I not moved on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Seems sensible if you have a weak immune system or are in contact with people who have one.

    If you expect others to wear masks to protect you then no.

    If you don't then yes you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well if someone is coughing and spluttering with an abvious dose but doesn't mask I'm not going to comment as they've already demonstrated that they either don't give two fooks if they infect everyone around them or they still don't understand how viruses move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Ideal host material there, masking won't proitect you much if at all in a situation like that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Why would medical staff bother at all which such compelling online authority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    They wear them to protect you not themselves - looks like you missed that memo lol, maybe look it up, was well publicised during Covid.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So the person coughing and spluttering should wear a mask?

    Only took people 5 years to get that…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Maybe look it up yourself before dumping misinformation.

    Clearly called out masks can both protect the wearer and reduce spread. And theres not just covid in circulation.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/preventing-the-spread/when-to-wear-face-covering/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Yep, why the whole masking thing was such a placebo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,267 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I took my vaccine but didnt adhere to any restrictions, cop chrcjpoints just felt weird and authoritarian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I wear them to prevent specimen contamination, yes, some masks can help prevent you becoming infected but the regular run of the mill ones do more to prevent you spreading than to protect you.

    Nothing falese there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭yagan


    Why are you even engaging with the anti science mob?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Lol, the irony, if it makes you feel sade then just do as you do but weakening your imune system is very counterproductive.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It wasn't though.

    Making everyone wear a mask prevented near asymptomatic people spreading and it also forced people, who knew that they were sick, to wear one.

    It's why a scrub team will wear masks and aseptic technique is what it is. It is done to protect others from exposure to pathogens the team does not even know they may have

    This thread, alone, is still proof that sick people would not have given a fawk about others and gone about their daily routine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Hmmm, HSE weren't very pro masking to begin with, it was public opinion that really pushed the masking thing in the beginning, the governemnt went with it to appease the karens, there were benefits but ulimately for maost it was a gesture and no more, we still see people not washing hands after the bathroom etc so most who did wear them only done so as a gesture, as one poster alreayd said it was probably the same mask for the entirity lol.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They weren't pro mask as they were

    A: ensuring supply. There was a real logistical threat for PPE at the start

    B: trying to do the best method of stopping spread: stopping interactions

    People wore the same masks repeatedly, kept touching them, had their noses over the top, used face shields instead, cut holes in them…
    They were right to prefer people to not congregate as opposed to carrying on as usual but with crappy mask technique.

    That is why they were not pushing mask mandate at the start, because a huge sector of Irish people are contrary f*cks. The same people in evidence in this thread complaining about any/all actions taken to prevent a hospital infrastructure collapse. Everything that was done was with an eye to a very limited supply of critical infrastructure.
    Covid did not kill THAT many people? Yeah, because we kept ICU spaces clear and ventilators available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    They could only slow it down, not stop the spread; good mask, bad mask or no mask,it was just delaying the inevitable but it was the best they could do, thye did pretty well until it became facrical (pretty early on).

    A better engagement with prople might have resulted in better masking but the resentment was there, ultimately caused by their mixed messages.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Slow is the bloody point. Do not overwhelm hospitals and staff.

    Slow the spread and allow a very limited healthcare infrastructure cope.

    It, literally, is that simple



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