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Five years on, what did COVID teach you?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A simple change which one building I had to frequent for a while a few years back made - they put a little device on the bottom of the toilet door so you could pull open it with your foot. No touching a dirty door handle just after you've washed your hands.

    EVERYWHERE should have this. Very simple, very cheap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah, instead watch some randomer on YouTube who knows it all!!!1! 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,094 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Arguably, toilet doors should open out, with a handle for those coming in, but only a push for those going out. But hygiene is not given any weight in design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,760 ✭✭✭yagan


    One thing I absolutely loved during the lockdowns was that shopping for essentials was so easy. I made a list of needs for a week, grabbed what I needed, no kids in the shops, no coin fumblers etc… My local was an Aldi and I knew where everything was stocked, so I'd go early with my list and be out with 10 days shopping in around 20 minutes, less if it was quiet.

    It's a habit I've stuck with although an elderly we care for always wants to go the shops at the busiest times for the "buzz". Insane considering she's terrified of catching the latest strain of whatever is going around. BTW, this is the same vulnerable lady with a lung condition who'll give out yards about other people coughing and spluttering and then still forget to use mask for self protection in such situations.

    We did make major changes to our lives based on the experience, we got out of Dublin, now have a lovely garden in an area with lots of nice walks and nature. Thankfully we're not car dependent but it's the kinda of slower paced lifestyle we weren't ready before the pandemic, but now I couldn't have it any other way.

    Our income did take a hit but overall our improved quality of life more than made up for the changes the pandemic inspired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭crusd


    No it didnt. Only among ghouls trolling articles about deaths of people younger than 70 in situations they know nothing about.

    It caused side effects in a small number of people, side effects due to immune response which is to be expected with any vaccien or virus and at a rate and severity far less than when triggered by infection



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭techman1


    You don't have to anti alcohol (which I am not) to know that the "meaningful Xmas" would lead to a massive spike again, yet Micheal Martin and the vintners got their way.

    The issue wasn't opening up for the "meaningful Xmas " , it was keeping the strict lockdown in place all through the summer of 2020 when covid numbers were in the low digits. That was the time to release the pressure. However in summer 2020 there were some in nphet especially tony holohan that were trying to achieve zero covid like new Zealand and Australia (which turned out to a huge mistake). They were manipulating the covid daily cases by bunching several days numbers over the weekend into one day making it appear that covid was rising again. That gave Tony holohan the ammunition to maintain strict lockdowns through 2020. Then by Christmas 2020 the lockdown had been in place too long and the pressure for opening up was too great so politicians had to relieve the pressure because, several false dawns had been scuppered beforehand . They would have lost the public buy in at that stage if they hadn't relented.

    I also think there was an anti alcohol puritan ism about holohan and others in nphet, the whole "wet pub" and "substantial meal" malarkey pointed to that. It was ridiculous and also classist, people who went to fancy restaurants could be trusted to obey the rules but the hoy poloi that frequented "wet pubs" could not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Actually it did, for the vast majority they were minor: irritation, nausea, soreness around the area, lethargy etc, but there were side-effects of some shape or form for many if not most.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,760 ✭✭✭yagan


    I guarantee that if the smoking ban or asbestos ban were to come in now there's be anti ban zealots insisting that neither are hazardous and that such bans were big government trampling on choice etc....

    I think there's a lot of people who never recovered from self radicalizing on social media during the shutdowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    yes thats who infuences me! some randomer- keep on keeping on, fella!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I went to Italy on holiday in summer of 2020.

    What an eye-opener.

    At the time Counties Kildare, Laois and Offaly were all locked down fully because of a few Covid cases in some meat processing plants. RTE were breathlessly reporting on case numbers every news bulletin.

    Meanwhile, over in italy, what we were being told was ground-zero for Covid in Europe, all the shops, restaurants, waterparks and attractions were all open and busy. People taking sensible precautions but getting on with their lives.

    Obviously Italy didn't have the equivalent of a Tony Holohan ruling over the place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its no coincidence that a lot of the anti-vax/anti-maskers have now morphed into anti-immigrant protestors. Algorithims gave a lot of utter eejits a platform to grift away on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    I learned (to my cost) that getting COVID 19 can lead to you developing Mast Cell Activation Syndrome which is a life limiting disease that Irish GPs know nothing about and don’t know how to treat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Only real difference it thought me was that I am a right idiot for having a physical trade job where we worked right through the whole thing with no time off, while most of my mates enjoyed sitting around at home getting paid for nothing. More fool me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭crusd


    if a vaccine causes zero symptoms it hasn’t done anything. All you describe is an immune response and you want an immune response. What was being implied by the previous poster is that vaccines had produced significant symptoms in lots of cases. Which was bullshit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭NRH


    **** me but all the pseudo-scientists and "do their own research" fantasists are still in full flow.

    Thats what COVID taught me, that uneducated morons scream the loudest about topics they know feck all about.

    Social media really did allow the villiage idiots to mobilise and group together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "critical thinking" and "do your own research" aren't the zingers you seem to think they are

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,425 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    To move on and appreciate what we have now .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Isn't it interesting the various psychological changes we've all undergone due to covid & lockdown. Firstly, I think there was a kind of mass stress response in many ways, in that lockdown itself was traumatic for so many in so many different ways (e.g. rises in domestic abuse, marriage & relationship breakdowns, etc), and this coupled with the impending risks of contracting covid & getting very ill, as well as having to listening to fear mongering news reports & case numbers being broadcast daily/hourly, while being mandated to stay couped up in our homes, literally hiding away from the outside world.

    Then when lockdown measures became semi permanent, there was a kind of a Stockholm syndrome at play imho. In this phase we all became someway resigned to having our NPHET captors dictate the terms of our engagement with the outside world, & how many of our civil liberties we could retain.

    And then eventually there was/is a sort of mass cognitive dissonance & PTSD response to the whole covid experience imho. It is curious in many ways how quickly most people got back to our lives , and also how we seemed to so quickly forget how bad (aspects of ) lockdown actually were. This also shows how human resilience & the ability to get over emergencies such as covid lockdowns seems to involve a kind of amnesia about the whole thing, that kicks in quite quickly once it's all over imho.

    P.s. of course there sadly was & are a small minority of people who will really never recover from the effects of lockdown e.g. there was a cohort of mostly older people who were so terrorised by the fearful & ubiquitous public health messaging by the government & the overall lockdown experience that they will never fully regain their confidence to go back out & fully engage with the outside world again. That is a sad fact imho, that I hope our public health officials will learn from for the next pandemic response I.e. do not scare the living daylights out of people continuously in a pandemic , as you will affect their mental health & quality of life irretrievably thereafter, sadly.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,783 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    And considering we are well off as a country right now, would they not think about building a few more hospitals?

    Theres still people sleeping on trolleys in corridors in our major hospitals. There are 86 hospitals currently, in the year 2000 there were about 170.

    If there aren't enough beds in hospitals when there's no pandemic, if another one happens, we'll be f***ed. Again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Meanwhile, over in italy, what we were being told was ground-zero for Covid in Europe, all the shops, restaurants, waterparks and attractions were all open and busy. People taking sensible precautions but getting on with their lives.

    I wouldn't be using Italy as an example of what success looks like during the pandemic.

    After that summer they went into one of the harshest lockdowns in Europe and overwhelmed their hospitals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    You could say that. And there is truth in it for sure. But you could also say that the same people who sucked up all things covid will suck up anything since they tend to be the people who trust and believe in authorities whereas others may tend to be more suspicious of authorities.

    That's being said without judgement. Either can be right or wrong or neither.

    Generally speaking here in the 1st world we tend to believe that we're doing better than the rest and therefore our system and thereby our authorities are mostly right and can be trusted and are beyond lies and manipulation. Thats despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, but while things are not too bad people will ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Hooked


    It taught me not to listen to the masses. To use my own 'cop on'.

    During the 5km lockdown… myself and my wife set off with our 2 dogs in our small VW camper up the coast (Headed towards Galway, back the scenic route). I'd a few false documents (I'm a designer) for a hospital appointment for my wife, who I was driving to said "procedure". We never had to use them.

    A glorious few days along the Wild Atlantic Way… with all our own food on board. Toilet, etc. Kinvarra, Ballyvaughan, Doolin, etc… We'd be meeting no-one, so what was the harm in being out n about? It really was MADNESS!

    Highlight of the few days away? Arriving at the Cliffs of Moher towards the end of a beautiful day. Parked in the bus bay, out of sight from the main road. Had the entire place to ourselves on a glorious evening…

    I'll never forget it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    So much name calling in so few words. #Bekind #Wearamask #ProtectGranny

    Uneducated indeed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I was in Italy at about the same time with family. My experience was the polar opposite.

    I was in the North - so perhaps my proximity to Bergamo and all that happened there lead to a completely different experience - but I witnessed a palpable sense of trauma. It was understandable. The initial lockdown was extremely hard with most barely getting outside their front door for weeks/months (can't remember) and of course the horror of the initial European outbreak and subsequent hospitalisations and death scared the bejaysus out of everyone.
    They of course have a much older population and the subsequent threat to people's loved ones and families made for a generally sombre time. People wore masks everywhere. Even outside.

    I suspect what your man experienced was tourists, who like him, underestimated the virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭techman1


    Only real difference it thought me was that I am a right idiot for having a physical trade job where we worked right through the whole thing with no time off, while most of my mates enjoyed sitting around at home getting paid for nothing. More fool me!

    That is the long term consequences of covid lockdowns, all the youngsters want to do jobs where you can work from home, consequently nobody wants to do physical jobs like trades etc where you need be be onsite every morning hail rain or snow. Absurdly the government has exaggerated this trend with their taxation policies, giving tax breaks to people that work from home and penalising the "essential workers " that need to drive to work every day though carbon taxes. The tax breaks should be the other way around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Maybe don't use "we all" when speaking from your own perspective and your own opinion.

    What you describe is nothing in the slightest that I or the people around me experienced or felt during COVID and lockdowns. I met my partner, my family as a whole became closer, a greater shift towards life in the never ending work/life balance see-saw.

    Not everyone had the dread, fear and traumatic psychological battles you're describing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    We'd be meeting no-one, so what was the harm in being out n about?

    Seriously? Would you still be meeting no-one if everyone had acted like you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And it assumes that it was should be blamed on the 'lockdown' and not 'the virus', and doesn't stop to consider for a moment what the mental health effects would have been from more deaths, hospitals overrun… and people having to venture out into what would have been higher risk environments. You can't have a mental health issue if you're dead.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,760 ✭✭✭yagan


    It is interesting how some people misremember such things as thinking that Italy didn't have seriously lockdowns at the initial outbreak. It is selective thinking no doubt shaped by whatever echo chamber they locked into to cope.

    I think people who like being in charge had a particularly hard time just sitting still, I can see how some would warp all information to control their panic.

    Asia countries that have had warning systems for decades were more prepared for what had to be done, but it's been a century since the Spanish flu hit our part of the world. Bush Jr was so concerned about a pandemic that flights to the US were cancelled when H1N1 was on the go, but now in the self radicalising social media age gowls cheered when Trump insisted it's just a flu and that maybe sticking a lightbulb up the ass was a solution.

    Looking at the USA from Asia it looked like a clownshow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,066 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That sounds amazing.

    Our daughter went out cycling with her friend from across the road during lockdown and one of the neighbours actually called the Gardai. They never came but the neighbour told us she called them. Madness!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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