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Tim Davie resigns as Director-General of the BBC

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Though I actually came back to post this from Telegraph sportswriter Oliver Brown who has stood up for women in sport for years:Nothing shows BBC bias like its gushing over men in women’s sport(I’ve put a gift link. Just to annoy anyone who disapproves of the Telegraph on principle 😆 Personally I took out a sub when Julie Bindel, a lefty working class feminist who spent much of her career working against and writing about male violence against women had to start writing for them because the Guardian wouldn’t publish her any more, because she’d offended all the middle class “Be Kind” activists employed there by refusing to say that men could be women.)

    And here’s a great article from Julie Bindel while we’re about it:

    How the ‘Be Kind’ brigade exposed their hypocrisy

    The ‘just be nice to everyone’ narrative hides an uncomfortable truth – that women must be careful not to say the wrong thing
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7ca72a74d0eeb083

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    Wow! It's hard to put any other interpretation on that. The Jews, pulling the strings in the background. Controlling the media is one of the oldest anti-semitic tropes around.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭archfi


    The disgusting hold the BBC LBTQ-blah-blah+ committee had over everyone and everything has been breached (it seems)

    This is the bigger story IMO in the exposure of the rot at the BBC.

    And I truly hope, the namesake "committee" dominating RTE is demolished soon along with the entire gaggle of gatekeepers in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I know.

    I used to like Joe Brolly (he comes from near where I’m from) but I don’t know whether he’s changed or whether I have, possibly both - but I long ago decided he was a misogynist, and now also an antisemite.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    The number of people who have just straight reposted it as well… Many with Palestine flags in their profiles

    I never really bought into the equivalence people make between opposition to Israel and anti-Semitism. And though there is definitely a grey area, that post clearly crosses the line. What's the term for it? "Saying the quiet part out loud"?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,887 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    In many cases, a tiny scratch on the surface is all it takes for the mask to come off and true intentions to be revealed. I've certainly noticed this to be the case anyway. Go on to reddit and you'll see that apparently the jews are also responsible for the dems backing down to end the shutdown without getting what they wanted. They sure are a powerful bunch!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    IMO the problem is not opposition to something Israel has done or is doing - plenty of Israelis protest, sometimes in the streets, against their own governments. That’s the thing about being a democracy.

    The problem is what a lot of non Israelis actually mean by opposition to Israel: turns out (and I was naive about this before) that in practice it is often a more-or-less openly declared opposition to the very existence of Israel.

    And that, IMO, is antisemitic. Clearly so. No other country, however it came about, is constantly delegitimised by people with no connection to that part of the world. For instance, Pakistan is no more “legitimate” than Israel - less so in some ways, and its inception led to the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people, none of whose descendants are now considered to still be refugees. It’s fairly similar for Jordan, Iraq or Turkey. Yet only the descendants of Palestinians have refugee status. The Jews expelled from Yemen aren’t considered refugees by the rest of the world. Why not?

    I can only conclude that there is a desire, in Europe as well as in the Middle East, to deny the legitimacy of just one country. All the others are grand.

    It’s also deeply ironic to see posters on here regularly refer to Israelis as Eastern Europeans, when for centuries Jews were attacked in Europe for being foreign. Indeed surviving Jews who returned to Eastern Europe after the war were subjected to pogroms and told they were foreigners who should “go back” to the Middle East.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Not a peep out of that crowd about Sudan or Islamic violence in Europe, and everywhere they go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Today's BBC 6 o'clock news led with a story on Trump/Epstein emails and their 4th news report was about an actual conviction of 7 groming gang members in Bristol. Morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's pretty big international news and he had a close relationship with Epstein. So ya, it would be pretty standard for this kind of item to get top billing on the news. If it was Biden and it didn't get top huge coverage, you'd literally have people complaining about that fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,595 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As they should have. The BBC thing is a non-story being blown out of all proportion by US corporate media. The most powerful man in the world being best friends with the most famous child sex trafficker in history should always lead IMO.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    I think this post is a good example of how many in the UK media bubble are making it so much worse for the BBC. The response explains why.

    Screenshot 2025-11-13 at 12.50.08.png

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,595 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The "document" was written by a right wing lobbyist.

    https://bylinetimes.com/2025/11/11/bbc-bias-memo-lobbyist-trump-tech-giants/

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I presume Trump will go ahead with the lawsuit in the hope BBC will settle out of court. His modus operandi seems to be ask for billions and settle for an amount in the low millions. From what I have read his case is weak as US laws favour free speech and the documentary was not aired in the US so he would find it hard to evidence reputational damage.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,421 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,595 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It doesn't. Makes sense, since your link begins with "EXCLUSIVE".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    The Liz Cheney commentary was almost worse. Here's how the memo characterised the original statement.

    In an interview with Tucker Carlson on October 31st, 2024, Trump took issue with Ms Cheney because she “always wanted to go to war with people”.

    He went on to describe her as a “radical war hawk”. He added: “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her face. OK let’s see how she feels about it.”

    Mr Trump went on to attack politicians “sitting in Washington in a nice building saying “oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy...”

    Mr Trump was clearly criticising politicians who readily send US troops to war without thinking about the human cost.

    And this is what the BBC News channel said about it (echoing what the Democrats were saying)

    In the BBC News Channel on 1st November, one presenter asked his guest: “He is out there on the campaign trail saying he wants people to shoot Liz Cheney in the face.... Is that the sort of thing women react well to?”

    It strikes me that a lot of BBC journalists are informing themselves on social media. But, UK tax payers don't need to pay a hefty license fee to be informed by social media.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,421 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    good god, if this is the sort of stuff people are dragging up about the BBC being mean to trump, i'm amazed.

    i mean - i'd have expected worse if it was by accident. i'm supposed to believe that the BBC had it in for him, and this is how it manifested?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The BBC does how a weird history of being accused of bias by both sides. Remember when they depicted Corbyn as being in red square dressed like a communist or Keunssberg chummy relationship with Boris and the tories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,595 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure but it's been governed by Tory appointees for a very long time. It isn't left wing no matter how much the tabloids pretend otherwise.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I don't really see that that helps much, because there's a new allegation, unrelated to Prescott's report, that Newsnight did much the same thing a couple of years earlier (the splice wasn't at exactly the same point) and were called out on it at the time by a US interviewee who was in the studio:

    That said, as I've said before, I don't think this is by any measure the worst thing that the Prescott report has shown up - indeed Trump barely takes up a couple of pages of the 19 page report while the BBC's damningly biased coverage of Gaza takes up about 8 pages. Their abject failure to consider women's rights in their coverage of transgender issues is also significantly longer than the Trump section.

    But of course it suits both Trump and the those at the BBC who are desperate to find a way to discredit the report to pretend that it's all about Trump. It's not.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The Telegraph are waiting on a reply from the BBC regarding the same thing they did 2 years earlier.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Can I just say that nevertheless I really hope the BBC will tell Trump to go fk himself?

    I assumed initially that they would completely cave to him, but I’ve heard a number of legal people saying that he would have a very hard time winning any such case in Florida, for one thing because the BBC doesn’t broadcast in the US so he can’t say they cost him anything when almost no Americans will have seen it. (I hope the same is true of the Newsnight one, which was earlier. The time limit for bringing a case in the UK has elapsed, so he can’t do it there.)

    So I’ll be really disappointed - but not completely surprised - if despite all that, the BBC folds anyway. It’s not even their money after all, so they might.

    What I very much do want though is for any case about Trump to be dismissed, but absolutely not for it all to go back to as it was but with two new bosses. There needs to be a serious clear-out of the people responsible for the hostile atmosphere towards unruly women even on Woman’s Hour of all places. And over Gaza too. Those were not the doing of Tim Davie nor even Deborah Turness. The rot goes much deeper than that.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It doesnt seem to please the pro-israel or pro- Palestine sides either. I would think that annoying both sides would at least point to it not trying to appease either side. Given most media in the UK seems to be terribly skewed as either left wing or right wing its no wonder the BB gets such vitriol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    That's all true. The threat to sue is a side-show. Trump is a public figure and it is very hard for public figures to win libel actions in the US. The only reason the US networks caved is they need his approval for various mergers and acquisitions that are underway.

    As you seem to believe in the bible, I'll just leave this here for your consideration:

    "By their deeds you shall know them …" Mathew 7:16

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,595 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think it's that. The right despise the BBC because it's a public service broadcaster and news outlet which is vastly superior to the billionaire-controlled corporate media. They've been at this for decades. I think the pro-Palestinians have much more of a case here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It’s biased but I like the side it’s biased for. It doesn’t matter that they bury stories or opinions that are valid, misrepresent and flat out lie all while being funded by the taxpayer under threat of prison if they don’t pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It doesn't matter who the whistle-blower is or what their biases are.

    What matters is that the BBC decided to doctor a news report/documentary , that is the only thing that matters in this whole story.

    The circling of the wagons from the BBC brigade and all their supporters has been pathetic, they'd have far more credibility fo they just said , what happened was wrong , the BBC needs to uphold very high standards of journalistic integrity and it shouldn't happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Exactly.

    This morning the BBC have said that they apologise for what happened, because it was wrong, but that they don't accept that any harm was done to Trump, since the programme wasn't broadcast in the US and anyway he won the election, so they won't pay out.

    A surprising degree of backbone from them on this, which is good. Their legal advice must have been pretty definitive for them to refuse to negotiate at all. Often companies pay up just because the costs needed even for a win may well be higher than what the "offended" party will settle for. I think a lot of Trump's "wins" over the years have been based on that calculation.

    Now we need to see how they respond to their far more egregious offences on Gaza and against women.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It’s great. It’s outing all the media and pundits with no morals, integrity or ethics. This is probably the most valuable work the BBC has ever done.



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