Tim Davie resigns as Director-General of the BBC

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123987273#Comment_123987273

That's still focusing on the Trump thing though, it goes much deeper and wider than that. I seen this tweet a couple weeks ago which highlighted some of it

https://twitter.com/alexmaccaroon/status/1982619325199507712

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123987443#Comment_123987443

The irony being that on the conflict between women's rights and transgender demands, a programme like Woman's Hour repeatedly chose to interview men (usually disguised as women) and was actively hostile towards the women with a different opinion when they interviewed them. Seems like having men on Woman's Hour of all places, is grand.

https://twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1987825162260295866?s=20

And then there are things like the allegations of bias against women as described in the Prescott report where defenders of the BBC (Amol Rajan and Nick Wallace) had an all-male discussion - zero women - about the allegations. Guess what their take was?

This is pretty much the norm on women's issues on the BBC: WH will interview men pretending to be women, and the other programmes and podcasts interview mostly men.

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1924073656734437877?s=20

brickster69

It's getting contagious this editing of Trump's speech. It seems the Swedes and Norwegians also have done a similar thing. I wonder if he knows about them yet ?

https://twitter.com/pr0ud_americans/status/1989308696854147379

Newsweek have asked for a comment from one of them

https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-broadcaster-svt-edited-trump-speech-bbc-11046037

Sudden Valley

It doesnt matter if he knows about them, it wasnt broadcast in America, and they are far more unknown to Americans than the BBC so he wont be able to successfully sue them. He can threaten too, of course, but it won't help him escape his problems domestically.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123987808#Comment_123987808

Not very good though is it, a state broadcaster or any broadcaster for that matter just editing out stuff to make it appear something else was said ?

Another state broadcaster did a similar thing also with the same speech. I wonder how many more did, bit of a coincidence isn't it ?

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/almost-identical-sky-news-host-chris-kenny-exposes-abc-committing-same-journalistic-sin-as-bbc-in-doctoring-footage-of-president-donald-trump/news-story/5a13ddca1c58deb7b3a62dd9b9a9cb64

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988153#Comment_123988153

It was a mistake and nothing more. It's not like the BBC were wrong. Trump attempted a coup. It's objective fact.

Sudden Valley

I do think they are damaging their reputation, and its totally unnecessary, Trump is just another dishonest politician that gets caught out in his own lies.

The BBC has damaged itself, maybe irrecoverably. Will be interested to see if they do actually settle in court or if Trump finally gets tired of lawsuits, especially of ones he cant win in court.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988165#Comment_123988165

Details are important, he would have needed to explicitly stated he wanted them to storm the capital building or even bother to turned up himself.

Now are the Clintons going to be investigated for the Clinton charity and spending the money on themselves, Biden for getting is son on a Ukrainian energy board with no experience, Nancy Pelosi investigated for insider trading?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988225#Comment_123988225

Not at all.

As for the second portion of your post, I've no idea why you think I'd know the answer to such things. Trump's the president. I'm sure he could get investigations going if he wanted to.

Sudden Valley

I think you forgot to mention Trump and his allies to be investigated for insider trading on the backs of his constant zig zagging on tariff announcements. I believe those from across the political aisle in the US should be investigated but some seem to favour criminality as long as those with similar views are carrying out the crimes.

At least there is some hope that the Epstein files will be released. Hopefully the BBC is allowed to report on these.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123987731#Comment_123987731

Trump wasn't smeared in saying he called for an insurrection.

He did call for an insurrection.

The edits were unnecessary and did exaggerate his delivery, but they are still his words and we all saw what we saw and heard what we heard all around the 2020 election, up to and including Jan 6th.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988230#Comment_123988230

He would have needed to have explicitly said it.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988241#Comment_123988241

They’re politicians, of course both side are corrupt.

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988225#Comment_123988225

Exactly. Imagine if you were accused of inciting violence, and it transpired in your court case that the prosecution faked a video of you calling for violence, you'd be rightly pissed off and any lawyer who faked such evidence would end up being disbarred.

The attitude here seems to be - oh Trump was guilty as sin anyway, does it matter that some of the evidence was fake?

Of course it matters.

For what it's worth I was looking at the Jeremy Corbyn incident for comparison. The image below shows what they did. Corbyn had a right to be pissed off at the BBC and if that's evidence of bias against him, then fair enough. But, it's categorically a different thing what they did. They were ridiculing him by putting him in a Russian hat with a backdrop of The Kremlin (coloured red). But, it wasn't in any way misleading. Nobody would seriously have thought that to be a real photo of Corbyn.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988165#Comment_123988165

Next thing you will be blaming Trump for it and saying the BBC should sue him for damages to their reputation.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988292#Comment_123988292

Attempting to overthrow democracy is worse than a bit of sloppy editing.

Sudden Valley

You think its ok for the BBC to ridicule the opposition leader in that manner? They are supposed to be politically unbiased, according to alot of criticisms in his thread. It's bad enough they had Keunnsberg as the political commentator without that sort of carryon. Yet the BBC was left wing according to some here.

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988296#Comment_123988296

Is that directed at me? No, I don't think it was okay. At least not on a proper news program. On some satirical show it would have been fine. The point I'm making is that being biased against the UK extreme left, as well as the American right, doesn't make things any better for the BBC.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988294#Comment_123988294

It was hardly sloppy, it was very professionally done. Cutting away from him to an image of an American flag fluttering in the breeze, and then back to him as the speech continued, seemingly uninterrupted.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988294#Comment_123988294

For my sins I read the full transcript of his speech.

I have no doubt that he was "riling up the mob".

Sudden Valley

What was Trump's excuse for holding a rally outside the capitol building for formalising the election results? I dont know how he could argue that it served a benign purpose.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988807#Comment_123988807

One would assume that as POTUS, which he was on the day, that his various levels of security had briefed him, or at the very least those close to him, about the nature of the crowd he chose to address.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988782#Comment_123988782

Doesn't matter if Trump was riling up the mob, doesn't matter what he did or suggested (in the context of this issue), but what does matter is the BBC deliberately splicing together two separate separate parts of his speech, thus creating a phrase he didn't actually say. This is the big issue, and this is why Trump has grounds to sue..

Several other bias related issues too, like trans and the middle East. Yes for sure Trump is the headline grabbing issue, but there's arguably much worse in the rest of the pages of the Michael Prescott memo. Endemic pushing of agendas to the public, as referenced & displayed in several posts back #93,#93, #94 …

DaithiMa

It is rather amusing (if not surprising) to see certain people desperately trying to downplay what the BBC has done here even though the Director General and the Head of News had to walk because of it. Imagine the outrage from those same people if it was revealed that Gript or the Mail/Sun doctored a clip of a Holly Cairns or Roderic O'Gorman speech to stir up the far right.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988967#Comment_123988967

It matters all right, as Trump would find out if he was stupid enough to actually take a case.

Did he think that Qanon, The Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boiz etc. were going to The Capitol to sing The Battle Cry of Freedom and have a protest picnic ?

What were the assessments of the FBI, Secret Service, DC Police Intelligence etc.

Focus also on the stream of lies and misinformation pouring from Trump over the previous week's between the election and Jan 6th.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123989069#Comment_123989069

Its funny even those attacking the BBC are accepting he riled up the crowd so it would be hard for Trump to argue his reputation has been damaged by what the BBC did. I dont know why he would even try to reopen the January 6th debacle with what he is dealing with at the moment.

Saying that the BBC was obviously wrong and needs to be reformed.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123988987#Comment_123988987

The director and head of news shouldn't have gone over this. The edit was wrong and shouldn't have happened but it doesn't warrant such high profile resignations.

They've gone because of a report written by someone who themselves has accusations of bias. The fact that they've gone does not elevate the act to sonething as serious as people are making out here.

The BBC has plenty questions to answer about bias, a slight misrepresentation of what happened on Jan 6th on a program that was broadcast nearly 4 years later and wasn't broadcast in America is not top of the list.

Benedict XVI

Whether Trump sues or win or not is not the issue.

Whether Jan 6th was an Trump lead insurrection or not is not the issue.

Whether you think a pro Palestinian stance is more valid than a pro Israeli is not the issue.

Whether you are pro or ani Trans is not the issue.

What is the issue is that after years of national mainstream media telling people to be careful of misinformation and disinformation from social media; the biggest mainstream media organization in the world is found to be doctoring video to give news reporting a certain slant.

It's just allowing people to be more and more inclined to believe what's on their algorithm driven, confirmation bias, echo chamber social media feed than what's in the mainstream media, because this event has shown the mainstream media have bias too.

It makes it awful hard for mainstream media to make their case going forward.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123989689#Comment_123989689

Im being slightly pedantic here, but i don't know if you can state the biggest news organisation is doctoring evidence but rather some people who produced a show did that. Doctoring evidence is still a stretch in itself, they're his words and we saw what that crowd did after he spoke them, but still, the edits were misrepresented.

The people involved were BBC staff and the organization has to take responsibility but to suggest the organization was doing this would imply it was a deliberate known strategy of a significant group of people.

There is no evidence that that is the case in this instance.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123989689#Comment_123989689

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123989689#Comment_123989689

Simple summary and so correct. The BBC have been caught out, and are paying a high price, and will end seriously damaged, as a result of their biased treatment of certain issues. Whilst many people will regret the fact, that it's Donald Trump that's administering the medicine, nevertheless this episode has highlighted their biases.