Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Beef price tracker 2

1273274275276278

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭Sami23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Yes but it needs to find some form of a base besides this yo yo effect. People get too hung up on kill numbers compared to previous year. If the demand is there they will have to pay for it. Markets / Demand is obivously back on last year. As i said before nothing better to cure high prices than high prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭HHH


    Bull beef being quoted the same as QA prime beef. This week's sharp drop is to flush out the last of the grass cattle. I can't see too many winter finishers with cattle in sheds selling any bullock at these rates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭WoozieWu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Myself, Robson, KKman and a few more have been on this forum for a decade or more. We have seen good times and bad times. We have dealt with price rises and falls. I remember 10+ years ago when it first broke the 4/ kg barrier and rose to 4.5/ kg one June before getting to 3.9/ kg that September.

    It nothing about being happy it's an upfront understanding of way the markets work. Most traders are struggling with the yoyo effect of the market. Sell at the wrong time and you are squeezed buying replacements. There is an expectation by some that the market will keep rising this is fueling prices.

    You already stated something that should have rung a bell with you.

    IMO and it's an opinion the kill was artificially low the last 6-8 weeks we could see a strong throughput for the next 4-6 weeks as 7 month cattle and grass cattle come to market as well as cattle where lads were .maximising weight. I think kill numbers are lower than they should be. As well.the good weather allowed dairy farmers to hold abd milk cows right up to now. You will see substantial numbers of parlour cows over the next month.

    You are.lucky if he is guaranteeing a price normally if processors see 1-2 weeks kill in front of them.they start the booking in system whereby you have to book them in and accept the strike they quote in 1-2 weeks time

    I think processors are hesitant at present to drop prices ( very unusual for them) because they called it wrong twice this year. However the danger is the kill stay strong for 3-4 weeks and there is very strong numbers of grass and 7 months cattle. Christmass kill will end in 3-4 weeks time, Then the lull untill it picks up after Christmas. They could decide to get contracted finishers to hold cattle for15-30 days longer.

    If they manage that they can back.up the ordinary lads cattle. Shed cattle cannot be continually fed on

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Robson99


    I'm not afraid to admit I was making more money when I could buy contenintal stores at circa €3 a kg and the market was stable. It's much higher risk now at €5 a kg and lower profit margin. Suckler man is making super money with weanlings, but the store to finish man is losing out. If the export market crashes things could get messy

    You give me the impression that if beef was €9/kg you wouldn't be happy till it went to €10....be careful what you wish for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭green daries


    I actually agree with you and bass bit left in it this side of christmas i would think but it will drop somewhat after christmas as I think a lot of lads have held cattle due to tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭memorystick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Date on cheque will be this year, as will cattle movement on end of year stocks.

    Depends on accountant tho if he want to adjust it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Tax is a problem I have every year.....…it means you made a profit. You learn to deal with it called spending money

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    And nothing better to cure low prices than enough of people realising that they had been ridden for years by a small number of entities making multi millions of their backs . Not all of them were meat processors either.
    Had an opportunity a few weeks ago to travel across the West of Ireland as a passenger on a truck. One thing that struck me was the large number of cattle yards / crushes that obviously haven’t been used in years.
    Cattle numbers fell because farmers had had enough of working hard to supply the market with unsustainably cheap stores .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There us a farmer in our discussion group that finishes about 140 heifers a year. Buys every Autumn and finishes from February to October. This year his margin between buying and selling is back 50-60 euro a head. His average margin is not excessive at 550 a head, personally for the risk and money involved, ( he paid over 1800 for replacements) I would have considered paying the tax. What caught him was cattle sold earlier went out at 7/kg and he was replacing when they were 8/ kg

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    went out for Sunday lunch yesterday and the beef was more expensive than the lamb. First time I’ve seen that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    We were out Friday night in a restaurant in Limerick. Chateaubriand was on the menu it was minimum two people @45 euro ppl. Waitress reminded us that it was 45 pp.

    I used to buy a few out of farmers yards, but gave it up when I retired from the day job. Started getting much better value in the mart. The store man has a choice he can carry his stores to finish himself. I have heard the excuses "waiting for your money" mainly or"too small numbers". There is many successful calf to beef men out there.

    I buy the cattle at the mart, nowadays online, I am completely at the mercy of the market carrying some animals for up on two years. Being explained to that I am doing everything wrong and that a lot of the cattle I buy are inefficient.

    But ce la vie, I will obviously go broke one of these days.…but so far I have not.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭limo_100


    you got that châteaubriand cheap I paid 130 for it in fx Buckley’s in Dublin 2years ago god knows what it costs now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You suckler farmers are good for the expensive version of everything with the bells and whistles as well. Yee are as bad as some of the dairy lads. Whether it the spec of nuts,locking feed barriers, fancy gates etc.

    Basically it's was a bit of fillet steak on top of a bit of mash and roasted carrots with a few sauces in the side

    Post edited by Bass Reeves at

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    no our prices should be broadly in sync with the uk price and now they are heading in different directions

    i wonder what the breakdown is on here of farmers who do and dont calve cows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Give me a detailed analysis why it should be. It's easy to make a statement like above but explain to me why

    Post edited by Bass Reeves at

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Tileman


    was travelling back from cork last week and stopped off at corrib court hotel between fermoy and Mitchelstown on the old Dublin road. Use to frequent that road and places lit .

    It was very quiet I ordered a steak and my daughter na chicken tenders and chips. Two glasses of coke and a cup of tea at the e end. €65 euro. Crazily for what it was but probably good value now days. Good feed in fairness u wouldn’t have to be looking for something later in evening. .



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Factories are gangsters. Supermarkets are worse. Consumers have been led to believe quality food is cheap and iPhones are more important. Welcome to 2025.

    I'm reminded of the Serenity prayer:

    "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...

    ...the courage to change the things I can...

    ...and the wisdom to know the difference."



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    show me purchase sheets and kill sheets for the same animal and ill play ball



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    15 animals would be a fair sample

    the ball is in your court



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,154 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's not the article is saying that some farmers have held on to cattle longer than normal whether to put more weight on them, to avoid a tax bill or because it's harder to replace.

    7 month cattle are an obvious issue many lads did not buy until April and May these are only becoming available now. The dairycows was obvious from weeks ago with the weather.

    I think the could be underestimating the kill next year if cattle are head back. If prices are climbing lads get fond of cattle, if they start seriously dropping they will dump them into the mart or factory. Do you remember June was it two years ago you told a procurement manager that you stop sending in under finished cattle when he stopped dropping the price

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    1000040841.png

    More guesstimates as KKman has linked above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭massey 265


    After been clear of t.b. for nearly 20 years ,i had a heifer reactor at herd test in early october last.1 week for valuer to come out and another week till she was picked up.She was 15 months a,angus and killed 250 kgs and r3 -.I weighed her before valuer called and she was 514 kgs.The factory paid 5.50 per kilo for her with dept having to make up difference which they havent sent to me yet.No wonder the t b scheme is costing so much when the factories are getting these cattle for 2.50 less than market value as i believe they go into the food chain or am i mistaken?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I don't have access to the full article. I don't think thesre are much 7 month stock out there my land wouldn't take cattle now and very few of those lads have sheds to put them. Putting them in sheds for a few weeks would only set them back.

    If there's fellas holding for January because of tax the kill figures will soon tell us that.

    The Biggest threat to cattle prices next year is dairy cows. Milk price looks to be very vulnerable according to forecasts.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭grass10


    Talk of 7 month and grass cattle now filling factories is mostly rubbish as most 7 month lads only have yearlings very few 7 month lads bought older cattle last April as they wouldn't pay the money at the time and mostly bought light yearlings, the only grass cattle left out are light cattle and hardly any heavy cattle

    I don't think anyone held back cattle till now and are suddenly dumping them into factories, in fact the opposite happened this year when everyone sold cattle earlier than usual because they were afraid of prices falling

    Their was large number's of cattle housed in September and they are coming out now along with the usual cow cull but that supply will ease off in a couple of weeks imo



Advertisement