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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    ah, the contractor band-aid..

    In fairness, they should just accept it, and negotiate a contract with others to get a reduction on cost.

    Will be interesting to see how many go for the new commissioned roles. While pay will be less than industry, Ireland can be quite competitive in the private sector, so anyone who doesn't want to leave Ireland, it could be a good option.

    Will be tough work for someone who has done 10-15 years in civvy land to join and put up with Military guff on top of trying to deliver projects though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Good news that this is finally happening.

    Lets hope for the good of the forces, past present, that its more than just lip-service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And so, all the chickens have finally come home to roost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    i am at a loss of words. How is this a suprise to a dail committe were have these people been. I hope the EU nations say Fu@k you ireland we will not be having any sunmits in your tight country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That may well be what happens. That any summits during the presidency are held in Brussels, and Ireland chair them, and no more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Has the Part Time minister and the SG explained that at some point in the future we might have some of the basic equipment and infrastructure needed? After which we might think about the need for the rest? I mean there was no way we could have known that we might need these things by 2026…

    If we had any serious opposition people, this would be hammered day and night against the government, instead we are likely to have SF complain about how EVIL the EU is because MILITARISATION!, while the SocDems might demand we all paint our nails and things will be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    I read the article as based on informed leaks - clearly someone trying to call BS on a lot of the guff we hear. I would have thought it better we hold these EU events here if possible- better chance of additional resources to DF - but the gap is too big to bridge to get all that would be required.

    I note reference to Munster as a venue for a summit (somewhere in Cork given MM is currently Tao ?). Maybe Drumoland given it has held these type events before if it is held here?

    We will see an announcement regarding a new primary radar system in the next few weeks. It’s in yesterday’s cttee hearing, but it seems it will be a number of years before fully functioning .

    I see the DoD has about €90m of Capex still to spend this month and next to hit the annual budgeted amount. I presume govt Jet, radar down payment , infrastructure and a few other bits and bobs will see to that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭mupper2


    Ah Doonbeg…wouldn't be out of place as a setting for a H.P Lovecraft story…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I've said it here before many times; never EVER be a launch customer or an early adopter of defence tech. Ever...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    ha ha, it had actually crossed my mind, but there is no way they would look at it for obvious reasons. Could you imagine, the owner would probably gate crash the party !! Some American guy I believe. From an actual security POV it probably has a lot of advantages, which I’m sure will be put to good use over the next three years or so I’d say…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    But, But GDLS promised they'd sorted out all those habitability and engineering issues!
    Those squadies must just be soft snowflakes /s

    The Brits seriously need to consider cutting the programme, swallowing the cost and either buying or licensing effective & proven platform.
    Over £4 billion spent to date and it's still both a lemon and years away from being fit for service.

    Multiple effective options out there.
    Cut GDLS out of the equation and sue them for their failure or specific performance.

    Absolute shít show of programme management that is at this stage akin to our own continued failure or even India's damned Tejas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sparky42


    How in the name of god have they managed to make such a balls up of this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Allons enfants de la Patrie
    Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
    Contre nous de la tyrannie
    L’étendard sanglant est levé
    L’étendard sanglant est levé
    Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
    Mugir ces féroces soldats?
    Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
    Égorger nos fils, nos compagnes!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/11/08/ireland-considers-asking-eu-nations-for-security-help-during-presidency-including-warship/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sparky42


    clearly the Journal article forced a rebuttal, not a surprise that we are going cap in hand, but interesting no mention of air coverage. Will it also be French or the RAF? Wonder how many promotions will be given out to the DOD staff for their abject failure?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    PC9s will do light CAP like the past for small slow moving aircraft. Not a chance it will be RAF they can barely look after themselfs and it would look bad from a political view.

    We will see maybe either French/EU squadron deployed to Shannon if there is going to be Air Cover.

    I know i use to much Just for Men and mabe its leaking in to my brain but back in the early 2000s maybe late 90s when we held a summit wasnt there media speculation then that Dutch would deploy F16s to do CAP?

    The Million dollar question is what happens if a passenger jet goes of course and is heading for Dublin Castle, who gives the French the order to shoot it down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,733 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Embarrassing but we deserve to be embarrassed.

    I would much rather have the EU say very publicly that Ireland cannot protect itself and therefore we will have no meetings in Ireland.

    Joke of a country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    clearly there is a fair degree of planning well underway for next year - the happy news is we are planning to get in others to do the job!! On one level countries will have specific gaps and get in assistance e.g. Denmark recently. We to our shame are on a different planet….

    thankfully we have good neighbours who haven’t taken offence from the incoming commander in chief ramblings during the election. A deeply unserious person



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Sure we can slap a irish tricolour on the Bretagne and say its ours like the Garda sticker on the German Puma in the 80s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It won't be the Brits. For a million political reasons, not the least of which is that it is the EU presidency.

    France or the Netherlands would be favourites to be asked. And paid.

    Shameful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I wouldn't bet against them being involved as well, a) because you have the "not EU" group meeting as well that we need to secure and b) if you look at the scale of what's being deployed currently it's multinational. The Brits have just announced a deployment to Belgium to help them, and that's on top of the Germans deploying to help as well, and I think the French.

    Given we seem to be bringing nothing to the table, its going to need plenty of others to cover our arses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,733 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Agreed, no problem at all with other countries filling reasonable gaps for large events.

    It's the unreasonableness of Ireland's defence spending and preparedness just to do the basics versus all our neighbours and particularly Eastern European countries that has been turning sour.

    This could turn nasty if things deteriorate with Russia. There'll be honest direct words for countries not shaping up when it comes to defence and there very well could be consequences.

    They'll be shaming us to take our own defence seriously.

    It's even more grating when our merry band of delusional halfwit peaceniks, like our incoming head of state, pontificate, lecture and talk absolute shite on public platforms about what countries under direct threat should and shouldn't be doing. It's absurd, annoying but mostly embarrassing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    it looks like the Italians have gone down the job threats route with the UK over the Puma Replacement.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/leonardo-warns-yeovil-factorys-future-depends-on-uk-new-medium-helicopter-contract-decision/165188.article



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sparky42


    no surprise they are fed up of the delays form the U.K. on the NMH, and given they are last ones in, it’s either pick them or abandon the project, why stall as they have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    what won’t be failed to be noticed at the EU level is they are making hard, actual decisions over not spending money on welfare, health, housing etc, but diverting these monies to defence to confront the Russian risk, while meanwhile on this merry isle we … well .. carry on as we have done for most of our existence … and to boot our incoming HoS insults those, who for valid security reasons are gearing up to counter the threat from the east and by implication help protect our way of life. We can of course expect plenty of claptrap from this source over the next few years.

    We run the real risk of running against the prevailing realpolitik where the serious discussions are taking place, which in turn will damage our wider longer term national interests. To be fair I do think there is an emerging understanding of this at senior levels here, but shamefully we are so far behind even the basic security for most comparable modern EU countries is beyond us. I’m sure too the French if asked to dig us out will be expecting orders in return … perhaps fair enough …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Razor44


    Quite the discrepancy between finance and defense there. Im assuming we're starting to get real (tangible) kick back at EU level over defense if this is what's starting to trickle out.

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    Harris promises to use EU loans if military funding is not forthcoming

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/11/10/harris-promises-to-use-eu-loans-if-military-funding-is-not-forthcoming/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,733 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Well, they blew billions in one off bribes to the population before the election. Priorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,897 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its all Harris backers leaking to a blueshirt audience that he's being bolshie on the side of defence investment.

    But in point of fact, Harris knows better than anyone that the defence architecture in this State could not absorb 3.4Bn of capital spending in the next 5 years.

    As we've said in this forum over countless years and with countless examples, we do not have the capacity to scope, manage and deliver enough projects in parallel that would cost 3.4Bn or anything like it.

    Be under no illusion, neither DoD nor DPER had any real intention of blocking over 3.4Bn of Capex for the period to 2030.

    And Harris talking about the EU 150Bn fund is more bullsh1t. It was already stated in recent months that it would he cheaper for Ireland to borrow on the sovereign markets than the rates attached to the EU fund. So he's not going to do that either, because cabinet would never let him commit to borrowings over the odds for no reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,733 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If you wanted to put the most positive spin on it you could say by 2030 we'll have sounder foundations like primary radar, somewhat increased naval capacity and improved ground infrastructure for moving forward with the Air Force.

    This is all still basic stuff though. That's what's annoying about it. Governments have never taken defence seriously and it's left us such an outlier on capability compared to similar sized peers it's going to take many years just to bring us up to bare minimum credible capability.



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