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rsa supporting e-scooters

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They might not have bought it in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm just glad that the eBikers have taken the heat off the rest of us who aren't being victim blamed for not being clad head to toe in hi-viz. It's good to have another scapegoat in the room.

    (I jest)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,495 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Remember the glory days of lockdown when joggers were briefly the bete noir?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    "they were breathing really heavy Joe!" "I saw one of them spitting Joe!!!"

    Heady times indeed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Oh Jesus, still feel uncomfortable jogging through my local park after all the dirty looks I got during COVID.

    "I used to be able to let kids lick the ground outside but now I can't because of all the joggers leaving their toxic sweat all over it!".

    Though the spitting thing is disgusting pandemic or no pandemic to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    FGers are out with pitchforks. Do they not realise FG are ruling since 2011?

    The motion calls for the Minister for Transport to “fully commence, implement, and enforce the provisions of the Road Traffic and Roads Act 2023” and “to ensure that high-powered e-scooters and Surron-type models are subject to licensing, registration, and insurance requirements in line with other motorised vehicles” & “monthly reporting to Dublin City Council from An Garda Síochána and Dublin Fire Brigade on collisions, seizures, and enforcement actions relating to e-scooters and Surron-type models within the city boundary.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/emergency-motion-submitted-to-dublin-city-council-for-regulation-of-high-speed-e-scooters-and-scramblers/a817858923.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Because we have to apparantly, same thing went for the Re turn bottle scheme - other countries have perfectly functioning systems which developed off failures (the exact same we made and are currently doing) which we could have copied but we had to do it ourselves.

    Regarding your cycling speed comment, your absolutely correct - when I commute on the bike (a very sh*tty old push bike) 18-23 kph would be my average speed and I'm not a very fit person.

    I'd argue make it even higher - 30kph is perfect in my opinion. Its only when you go past this trouble happens IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Explain the attraction of these modes of transport to pedestrians who are trying to move along footpaths with puppets riding these things with no regard for law or safety.

    This notion of 'finding' space fir a dedicated lane fir them is complete nonsense.

    Bikes dont all stay in bike lanes even when said lanes are available.

    In Our town the majority using e scooters dont give a fu@@ for anyone around them and nothing is going to change that imo.

    The rsa and the government can legislate all they like. It's road users attitudes that need to change.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal



    100% agree, but the gov cannot even change motorist mindsets and stop motorists driving on footpaths on a daily basis in every village, town and city in Ireland. You'll find more motorists don't give a f*** in your town when compared to scooter users.

    Motorists have the added issue of not only are they a danger to pedestrians when they do this, but they also cause physical damage to infrastructure which is not designed to take the weight of cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,112 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    I don't know any motorist who's first interaction with the road was in a car, so they learnt their bad habits on foot or cycling because to pass the test you can't do anything that you mentioned in a car. So we can teach people how to do drive correctly. But then they revert to what they know and that to ignore the traffic laws which is not helped by the complete lack of enforcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭cletus


    I had a fella nearly cause a 3 car crash because he overtook me on a 60kph road at probably double that speed, if not more, on a blind bend.

    Had I not put my car into the ditch, he'd have hit both me and the oncoming car that he swerved towards me to avoid.

    He didn't learn that walking or cycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,112 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    They learn that the law doesn't apply to them when cycling and they carry this mentality on to when they are driving.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    LOL, that's a stretch that implies that every rule breaker driving learned to do so while cycling which is ludicrous when you compare the population stats on those who do both. What is more realistic is that they grew up watching friends and family driving and not getting in trouble, and now do the same, potentially pushing the envelope a bit further.

    I am quite good at sticking to the rules while driving as growing up my father drilled it in to me every time we were in the car, and pointing out other errors/issues. My habits were formed through observation, the idea that someone running a light on a bike therefore thinks it's OK in a car later in life is laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭cletus


    I don't think you genuinely believe that every person out there driving badly and breaking the law does so because they learned they could cycle on the footpath or roll through a red light.

    Why not have an actual conversation on here, instead of making up disingenuous nonsense?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Not sure e-scooters are as stable as bikes with larger wheels when it comes to the pothole slalom in our bike-lines and roads, particularly in wet and dark conditions. Also be interesting to check relative braking distances from full speed to stop.

    That said, I'm a big fan of affordable transport and freedon of movement that e-scooters and e-bikes provide to so many people who would otherwise either struggle to get about, or in the case of kids, necessitate a lift from a parent. With respect to obeying the rules of the road, it is a matter of education and policing, it is not a problem intrinsic to the mode of transport.

    Personally, I'd rather see kids on push bikes than anything powered where that is an option, in terms of the health benefits, but e-bikes and e-scooters are still preferable to getting lifts in the SUV or never leaving the house.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,495 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i learned my bad habits as a pedestrian, crossing roads where there was no official crossing point, at age five. it was all downhill from there.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    During the 5km restrictions I used to go off doing 20-40mile runs on country roads.
    I was never stopped, I never expected to be stopped and I never, ever was nearer then 100 feet from any person as I ran so it was perfect. Had I run locally I'd have been near people all the time….that was my logic for breaking the law!

    No Gardai would have believed I ran 30miles from my house 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    More on the radio shows in last two days - 'they were doing 70kmh Pat' 'all in black going through the red' etc. Also some cyclists chimed in on bike lane use that they are silent at faster speeds

    Irish doctors have called for regulations for e-scooters to be prioritised, saying they are causing a growing burden on our emergency care system. Researchers recorded one fatality 2021-2023- a pedestrian knocked down by an e-scooter rider.

    And the Dynamometer gets the cobwebs dusted off https://www.waterford-news.ie/news/garda%C3%AD-hold-day-of-action-on-e-scooters-and-e-bikes-in-waterford-city_arid-73519.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Everytime the Dynamometer gets wheeled out for the media, it's always billed as testing ebikes and escooters.

    This is despite the fact that it can't test ebikes. Ebikes need to be pedaled (i.e. the rider is adding power). It is impossible to test the power output of just the motor alone without removing it from the bike.

    If an ebike has a throttle, it's not an ebike, but an emoped, and is subject to different regulations/restrictions based on the subcategory it falls in to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'd assume most of the ones that can do higher speeds also have a throttle. And /or I doubt any that require pedal assist can do higher speeds.

    That's a guess though I've no experience of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    most eBikes you can just change the settings to increase the top speed beyond 25km/h, throttle or no throttle. Though I don't think pedelecs doing 32km/h (the US limit) are the real problem when it comes to small electric vehicles. It's the ones designed like small motorbikes doing 60km/h along cycle lanes, of which I see several every day and don't need any special equipment to detect.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    wow, i'm glad boards will be alive for a little longer if only for what must be the worst take i've ever seen on motoring chaos, it's all caused by bad habits learned when walking or cycling, fair play for coming out with that one.

    and it's truly amazing how blind people are to motorists constantly driving and parking on footpaths, absolutely everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley




  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    They learn the law doesn't apply to them by watching other motorists even from a very young age before they even cycle a bike. This is nothing to do with cyclists but yet again it goes to show that some people will go through any lengths to blame cyclists for stuff.

    Lets look at driver behavior.
    - Parking and driving on footpaths, its the norm up and down the country, every village, town and city. Mammy and Daddy can park up on the footpath outside the school or creche.
    - Want to park on double yellows…sure thats what the "park anywhere lights are for"
    - Want to drink/drug drive, sure if a Cork Cllr can do that and then get out of their car and run away from Gardai and get away with it then you can too.
    - Speeding, totally the normal. Its your right to speed and speed vans are an attack on the hard pressed motorist don't you know.
    - Mobile phone use, you'll see this with motorists more then cyclists every day of the week. Its across all age ranges and vehicle types. Mammy and Daddy are always on their phones.
    - Kill somebody with your car? don't worry you'll get a slap on the wrist

    All while this goes on any changes to enforce laws on motorists is seen as an attack on the "hard pressed motorists".

    But sure, keep trying to pin motorist behaviour on cyclists 🙄

    Post edited by Cabaal on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Well said Cabaal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Don't forget dangerous/impatient overtaking! - when cars do it its fine but when I do it on my bike its bad!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    e-scooter bashing on Pat Kenny at the minute and "i was passed by a pushbike an ordinary bike this morning [on my way in]" says Pat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Reporting language, and the personification of the 'cyclist' really doesn't help either, imo.

    Any article (or an observation) of a bike running a red light is reported as 'cyclist runs red light' etc., and is implicitly applied to all cyclists.

    Meanwhile - a person is killed by a 'car', not a driver, and never associated with general driving behavior.



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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal



    Very much agree,

    If you visited Ireland from an alien world you'd think Ireland has a huge problem with self driving cars killing people.

    We remove any personal responsibility from collissions, they'd never report the other way round as "Bicycle kills person" or "Bicycle runs red light". But when it comes to drivers, its always the car that does the act. Not the person.



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