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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    Yea that's exactly what I said, good man, great contribution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,665 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    But they dont habitually carry tazers though . It has to be either all or nothing , while also having the ERU and specialist units for gun crime.

    My main point stands , Gardaí should be armed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭csirl


    The current system of an unarmed force is working well. Last thing we want to encourage is on street gun battles. We're also being spared people regularly getting shot by mistake or for trivial things Armed response unit is sufficient for armed situations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    So you are arguing against the program with a figure of 99% that you made up to suit your argument.

    So you have no idea how much is being wasted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    I know most of it is being wasted because the vast majority of parents in Ireland don't have a problem providing lunches for their children. That's before considering that a huge chunk of the food is thrown in the bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You don't know most of it is being wasted.

    I have no problem providing a lunch for mine, a warm chicken curry is more appealing than what I am offering.

    You do know that kids get a say on it, just because a parent can afford to provide a lunch does't mean those kids throw the lunches in the bin.

    You are providing zero evidence to these claims, just throwing out big numbers pulled out of thin air that back up your argument.

    If you proof to your claims please provide them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    I provided evidence that the 2025 budget for the school meals scheme is €300 million.

    Ireland is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, true poverty is very low.

    While it may be nice that your child can have a warm chicken curry instead of the lunch you provide. That money would be better spent in other ways, for example improving services for autistic children. It would be a better use of €300m if it were spent on improving services for autistic children, or increasing the budget for children waiting on crucial surgeries. A child with severe scoliosis deserves priority over a child that prefers chicken curry to sandwiches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You provided no figures to back up your claims.

    A lot of money could be better spent in this country.

    A lot more money should be put into children's services.

    Such as reducing foreign aid and getting tough on immigration to free up money.

    Why is a service provided to children the biggest issue you have with how money is spent.

    We are a rich country as you said, why do we need to scrap a service to kids to invest it into other services?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    I never said that the school meals scheme is the biggest issue I have. I merely said it was a waste of taxpayer money.

    We may be a rich country, but resources are limited and should be spent where it's needed most for society and it's wellbeing. 300 million is much better spent on other things, such as infrastructure or providing services and funding for disabled children and children in need. Not almost entirely on lunches for children who don't need it and/or dump it in the bin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    And you want to decrease the services in your area further? Like, are you enjoying the decreased services?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think your question is aimed at the wrong poster. I havent posted anything about reducing services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,759 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I think there should be a high excise duty on junk foods such that for example one could no longer buy a packet of own brand chocolate digestive for 89c in the supermarket instead they would cost no less that 7 euro per pack.

    I think there is a excise duty on sugar already but I think another target should also be flour, so anything with flour, a simple carb, should be targeted. That would mean things like a single muffin, scone, any pastry etc, would cost no less that 7 euro each. That sort of minimum price.

    I know, what about just bread or anything else with flour that isn't cake, busicuit, confectionary? Well, maybe make an exception for bread but only if it's made from wholewheat :) Lots to work out but you get the idea.

    In case anyone is wondering what inspired this post - vaping doens't account for a fraction of the cost to the state as obesity does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fk sake, it's as if you're just ignoring every post responding to you

    If they are trained with tazers and issued with tazers then yes they will habitually carry them.

    And yet again we are back to… how is the average Garda having the ability to shoot someone going to help? They're going to be in a world of shît if they shoot an unarmed suspect, and armed suspects are thankfully very rare

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's funny how some people think that if we stop serving lunches in school, somehow we'll have a lot more qualified paediatric orthopaedic surgeons all of a sudden. Because those two things are so intimately linked.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Christ almighty, I thought the alcohol nazis were bad but it turns out the food nazis are just around the corner.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    Surgery can be organised abroad and also capacity can be increased long term with 300 million per annum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,778 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Across the border every cop is armed.

    Nobody is getting shot on a regular basis over trivial things.

    I don't have a strong opinion either way about arming the Gardai but your argument is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,795 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Bob's ego tainted The Boomtown Rats to an extent

    They are popular no doubt but not 'huge'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭randomcorkman


    If you're in the US military, your purpose is not to protect the homeland. It's to protect the economy. You are a financial jackboot. Your only acceptable defense is that it's better than the Chinese jackboot. It is I suppose, but all those dead from your Iraq invasion and its aftermath may not agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭fortwilliam


    all those dead from your Iraq invasion and its aftermath may not agree.

    They wouldn't disagree either…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭thomil


    A weapon comes into use as soon as it becomes visible.

    I worked as an armed security guard for a year back in Germany, and that line was drilled into me from day one of firearms training, which was mandatory under German law and ended in a certification I have to this day. The mere visible presence of a firearm is going to have a chilling effect on any situation, even if it is never drawn. In the year that I carried a sidearm, a 9mm pistol to be precise, I was forced to draw it three times, but never had to fire a shot in anger. In all three cases, it was fully within the rather tight legal limits that apply to non law-enforcement individuals carrying firearms, and the police never even bothered opening a case. In several other cases, simply having my hand on the holster was enough.

    I get the point that you're making and I do appreciate that arming regular gardaí is going to be a thorny subject either way, especially if they're not provided with a very clear legal framework for the use of lethal force. But it's worth pointing out that a gun doesn't need to be fired to be effective. Deterrence is not just limited to the nuclear domain.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭talla10


    It always amazes me that one of the main arguments people have against arming Gardaí is the fear they will start shooting everyone!

    When Gardaí were getting pepper spray, tasers, non lethal weapons etc it was the same argument- Gardaí will lose the run of themselves with these tactical options none of which have happened!

    Now I personally don't agree with arming Gardaí for a number of reasons the first being Gardaí don't want to be routinely armed and they still feel, for the most part, they can discharge their duties without the necessity to be armed whilst having armed colleague to call on to assist. Secondly, I don't think we need it as a society but I do agree with them being given tasers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,453 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I won't be here, but in 50yrs time I doubt there will be any unarmed regular police forces left, including Ireland.

    It will be looked back on as such a quaint thing.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Well I’d like to think you’ll be proven wrong. I highly doubt Ireland or Iceland or Liechtenstein will ever have armed police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,870 ✭✭✭wassie


    Exactly.

    If we stopped serving lunches in school, Australia would have a lot more qualified paediatric orthopaedic surgeons all of a sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭JM2300


    300m per annum, a ridiculous waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Hair Metal pound for pound produced much betterr music than Grunge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,171 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    All the crying and keening and mourning over another batch of young people in a car accident, fingers being pointed at the NRA, gardai, government, etc as if the person behind the wheel had zero agency.



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