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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Yeah a growing trend of not wanting to get ripped off.

    Imagine that.😱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭Trampas


    I think there is a bigger trend of people just giving up or really cutting down on drink as even after a couple they’re tired the next day and just can’t do it anymore. Never mind the cost of it. The youth aren’t drinking like most of us did 20-30 years ago. Generation change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    For various reasons going to the pub isn't as popular as it once was.

    Some think the prices are too high, others just can't afford it, age and health reasons are factors also.

    Ultimately less customers means less pubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    They are drinking, possibly even more then the last - just in different ways.

    A nephew of mine - would be 18, goes out just once a month to a nightclub usually. Gets absolutely hammered p*ss faced drunk on the mixers (vodka and coke/redbull etc) and stays out till all hours. All his friends are the same.

    A few weekly pints at the local just isn't a thing - most of them don't even like beer other then the odd bottle of corona/heinegen in the house only if its the only thing available.

    Now thats just one group of 10 lads but teenagers will be teenagers. If they are doing it I imagine the rest of them within their social circle are too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Sorry. Erm I may be confused.

    How is this different to say the 2000s......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,213 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    "just once a month" as opposed to twice (or more) a week is going to be the big difference there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    People most definitely aren't drinking more these days. 15 years ago young lads were also out doing shots, drinking spirits, getting hammered and it wasn't just once a week.

    In previous generations it wasn't uncommon for people to be in the pub 4/5 nights a week and I can guarantee you they were dinking far more than your nephew going out once a month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,025 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    @listermint No different to the late 80s/early 90s either. Students couldn't afford to go out regularly for 2 / 3 / a few pints, so they didn't drink at all for a few weeks and then hit it hard. Pre-drinking in someone's flat - usually involving spirits - a couple of pints in the pub and then get into some crappy nightclub on a concession and maybe have one drink in there…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Possibly, your probably right.

    What I was trying to get at was young peoples choice of nights out is possibly not the pub anymore. Add to that the older/middle aged generation avoiding pubs nowadays for price rather then culture/health reasons - less customers for pubs and also less future customers hence less pubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,025 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In previous generations it wasn't uncommon for people to be in the pub 4/5 nights a week and I can guarantee you they were dinking far more than your nephew going out once a month.

    Maybe, in late teens early 20s, if they were in a job like construction making lots of money and living at home with little outgoings, but I don't know how anyone else in that age group would ever have been able to afford that level of pub drinking

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There was no people in that age bracket going out all the time. Once twice a week, college and just starting part time work.

    Sometimes just something big once every 2 weeks maybe or a gig . That's how the 2000s went. No one was ever drinking 5 nights a week. That's problem drinking and ultimately not based on reality of the wider public in that age bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,213 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I know plenty of students who did Monday, Thursday pub or club nights where they went to college and then Saturday at home, pretty much every single week. This was mid to late 2000s. Add in lots of other random occasional drinking too - Friday evening before the train home, Sunday afternoon after getting back to college, random afternoons when there were no lectures.

    I may have been hanging around wealthy alcoholics!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That's freshers week tbh.

    Thirsty Tuesday and then Friday maybe was the norm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I wasn't talking about people in their 20's, I was talking about the older generations who used to go out 4/5 times regularly during the week. My grandparents generation drank far more than my generation does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Yes, so we are in agreement that people these days are drinking less than previous generations.

    Your post was bizarrely claiming that they were probably drinking more based on your nephew going out once a month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    I should have probably elaborated on that point more... I think people drink more on one occasion/night out (compared to previous generations) rather then just a few with friends every week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    They may go out and drink more in one sitting but it's still going to be far less in total consumption terms than it used to be back in the day if they're only doing it once a month.

    Factually people are drinking less than they were even 20 years ago, alcohol sales in pubs, supermarkets and off licenses reflect this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,648 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭bog master


    From RTE,

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0624/1519913-ireland-costs-prices-eurostat-europe-economics-policies/

    The cost of alcohol is much higher for Irish consumers than for many of our central European counterparts due to a combination of higher taxes and minimum unit pricing. Taxes differ across different types of alcohol, but are higher here on average. For example, within the EU only Finland has a higher excise duty on beer.

    Additionally, the introduction of minimum unit pricing for alcohol in 2022 further increased the cost, both by removing cheap alcohol options and banning special offers that reduced prices below the set minimum unit price. The cheapest price a bottle of wine can be sold for in Ireland is now around €8. For comparison, the average cost of a bottle of wine in Portugal is €4.

    Although these policies are sometimes criticised for placing an undue burden on consumers, particularly those who drink responsibly or who are on low incomes, they increase the price of alcohol to better reflect the societal cost of alcohol consumption. The economic costs of alcohol include an additional burden on health services, alcohol related crime and road accidents, and lost economic output.

    The most recent estimates from 2014 found the cost of alcohol related harm in Ireland to be €2.35 billon. There is a good evidence base for using minimum pricing to help reduce these harms, and some evidence to suggest that the policy has already reduced the burden on the health service and the average level of alcohol consumption in Ireland.

    Where is this evidence base that MUP is reducing these harms? Author should cite “some evidence” the MUP policy has reduced the burden on the HSE?

    And lastly alcohol consumption has been decreasing for over 20 years, well before the MUP came into effect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Timistry


    so its a load of bollox then….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭GHendrix


    I feel like young people today thankfully have lots more alternatives to drinking.

    They have smartphones, laptops, all kinds of social media platforms, dating apps, music platforms, internet forums. Online gaming has improved so much. The gym and places like Costa/Starbucks seem to be more popular than ever.

    When I was 18 (2004), and it wasn’t even that long ago, but most of those things either didn’t exist or were very much in their infancy.

    Half the time we used to go to the pub out of boredom or to watch sport because none of us had the channels at home.

    I think price has little impact on drinking though. People that want to drink will still drink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    And all the gangs supplying and terrorising communities.

    About 110 organised criminal gangs involved in the drugs trade according to AGS.

    Tackling drug intimidation 'huge priority' for gardaí https://share.google/LB2Xm3BnUbj6ZDF4G

    Maybe having a few drinks wasn't so bad after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Sadly you are right. Mind/mood altering prescription pills also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Maybe all the scaremongering from the likes of AAI and the government with the ads about the "dangers" of alcohol has scared young people off alcohol and onto drugs. Bought a bottle of wine the other day and it has the "alcohol causes cancer" warning. Why no such warning on red meat and other processed foods that are directly linked to cancer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭GHendrix


    If that’s the case, they’d be better off down the pub ha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,982 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Yeah, but if you are working late, the off license closes at 10pm, some pubs last orders are at 11pm. All due to government mandates. Meanwhile the local coke dealer is available 24 hours a day. I understand from the grapevine some even deliver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    With a Micky Ds. So if they're stopped they pretend to be Uber Eats.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭xpletiv


    Im in late 30s now, 2 kids, and id say i drink at most once a month now. Price absolutely has a massive influence on that, but so does the hangover. I dont like it. And my mates are a 45 minute drive or a 2.5 hour public transport, so i drive every time. Drinking is hugely overrated.



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