Who actually wants the Dublin Airport passenger cap abolished?

MoL scathing pf Kenny keeping and his pay 0ff... I don't always agree with Oleary. He's right about this though... basically called out the wasters in the council and civil service... spot on..

MMassive Increase in government spend, massive Increase in civil servants. So people are being paid. To hinder infrastructure and cost billions a year in construction inflation... on top pf their pay and pensions etc... you couldn't make it up...

if it was up to mick infrastructure would go through your bedroom. and whats wrong with that ye nimby.

(not his though)

How would you reduce demand?

yeah sure thing mcwilliams. prices will stay wonderfully low and demand will be perfect, not too hot, not too cold, just right.

in an airport made of chocolate.

Airport. 🙄

Everything about growth at the airport is perfect according to some.

Not a single criticism. Demand will be perfect, prices will be perfect. 200 direct routes isn't enough. 33 million passengers isn't enough. There'll be no related traffic, policing or hotel space issues when we bring in more arrivals. The m50 isn't dangerously full and sure even if it is it doesn't matter.

The city isn't over capacity in 7 key areas. Increasing noise over a growing population isn't an issue for anyone except 5 lads in st margarets.

Dont worry about the 85% of air traffic in one place thing. Nothing will ever happen to cause a shutdown. We're not caught in a spiral of centralizing everything in Dublin.

And we'll all benefit in many wonderful ways, which we dont need to talk about right now. This is for the good of the people and not the few. Mick Oleary is doing this for the good of the city.

Plus there'll be a metro in place soon to help the congestion (which isn't there). To bring the increase in numbers to a city which definitely isn't falling apart and can totally cater to them.

It's nonsense, and in no answers your question about how to reduce demand.
The demand is at Dublin. In some strange fantasy, there is a belief that expanding the other international airports will force people to use those airports.
Which of course ignores the fact that the current situation is the result of people actively choosing Dublin over other options that already have spare capacity.

That’s quite hypocritical, isn’t it?

I did say according to some, so its not all just you and your denial of facts referred to in there. Its other peoples nonsense too. And its all true. Try a little research.

(*198 direct routes)

Right then reduce price.

Thank you for pointing out it was me and not somebody else. Like the pope for example.

Airport capacity and number of passangers at out 5 international airports.

How anybody can look at that and think that we need to focus on developing capacity for Shannon. Shannon has had capacity for 30 years and it hasn't made a difference.

Notwithstanding they there is an €30m upgrade for Shannon.
An expansion at Cork to 5m is underway.
Knock are have government funded upgrades. They are approaching 1m regional funding threshold.
Kerry was expanded this year.
Dublin has 4-5m capacity above the cap. Idiotic not to lift it to match capacity.

But yeah, lets not increase the cap at Dublin to match the actual capacity (and actually passangers). Stick another 5m in Shanon that nobody wants. LMFAO.

It has noting to do with anything. He's lashing out because he's been shown up for posting nonsense. Again.

And instead of admitting it, he's doubling-down and pretending he meant something else. Again.

And guess what?……..he looks ridiculous because of it. Again.

I make points about the topic with sources such as newspaper links, official stats, ai snapshots. Addressing one point at at time

My detractors freak out about grammatical errors. Intentionally obfuscate by barraging with multiple questions and goalpost shifts. (this can happen to people when they know they're in the wrong, lots of complexity, going off topic)

Any sincere poster would just ask and accept a clarification. Addressing the point, not the odd error in some dozens of posts.

No idea what this has to do with me or my posts. Genuinely, it looks like you're taking offence that I've called you out for spelling mistakes, which is not the case. I've not mentioned anything to do with spelling or grammar in the post you've quoted, so, again, I'm clueless as to WTF you're talking about. You claimed you never spoke about driving to Europe, until it was shown that you did……….that's not a spelling, grammatical or syntax error, that's just a straight up lie.

You originally said "Booking.com has DUB-LHR flights this weekend for as much as 460+ euro." as if it disproved my point that flying is almost always cheaper. I had already said, four weeks ago, that I'm well aware that the prices don't always apply, which is why I originally said "in pretty much every scenario, bar a few, especially last minute."

You are making the same point I made four weeks ago, and acting as if it counters my point. That IS my point, that it's cheaper pretty much all the time, bar the odd exception. You're making the same point that I am, which counters your own point that it's comparable. It's not, it's almost always more expensive, sometimes by a lot.

To go by rail and sail to London isn't that different in price,

It is. Sometimes it's nearly 400% more expensive to go by ferry/train than it is to fly.

just takes a little longer.

It takes almost twice as long. That's not a little longer, it's almost double the total time taken, per journey. A return trip is about 18hrs vs less than 10 when flying. The difference is even bigger when you drive it, like you claimed could be done, then lied about it when it was brought up again.

Its a good substitute service.

It's not. It would be, if you like paying more and taking nearly twice as long, but I don't know many people like that.

That was the original contention by the other guy. And he's more or less right.

He's not, he's completely in the wrong. As are you.

You'll probably save a few quid.

It's much, much more likely that you won't. You'll end up paying more.

As for the airport itself, good project and very successful, but the city can't cope with its endless growth.
We should content ourselves with such a great facility and move on to make the next one.
At this point the city is a higher priority than the customers desires, you see the point of industry is to improve the quality of life in the city. Not to sell out the quality of life of our capital and its people for some more crumbs.

You're countering an argument, here, that no-one is making. The airport isn't expanding endlessly. Dublin's problems, of which there are many, are not caused by the airport, nor will they be exacerbated in any meaningful way by flying in a few million extra passengers. The city can cope. There's no point making 'the next one' because people won't want to fly there. We already have three other 'next ones' and nobody is using them at the moment, what makes you think another airport will get the custom?

Also, this isn't a binary choice….we don't have to pick between the airport cap being increased and Dublin turning into something out of Mad Max II. The other problems can be addressed, separately, without cancelling anything that might improve the limited amount of infrastructure already in place. To claim otherwise is being deliberately obtuse (🤭). We can fix Dublin AND use the airport more, to the benefit of the city, not detriment.

You have deliberately dodged multiple questions put to you and refused to give people examples of your proposed solutions now on multiple occasions. You've also denied talking about driving to Europe, then completely ignored it when I showed you where you were talking about driving to Europe. You are all over the shop, trying to defend the indefensible, and you're tying yourself up in knots as a result. You said you'd reduce demand, until it was pointed out this was impossible and you couldn't come up with a way to do this. You then said you'd reduce prices, but have refused to say how you're going to do this. You then descended into a load of nonsense when probed further, showing how ill-thought out and surface-level your BS ideas are.

Give it a rest.

We get it, flying is worse for the planet and is more ethical for us as a species and blah blah blah. People don't care enough to spend more of their cash AND more of their time to balance this out, though. Lying to everyone and pretending that it's cheaper and takes about the same amount of time harms your cause more than helps it. It's not cheaper. And it's not quicker. If it was, we'd already all be doing it.