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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭reclose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The speed at which Biden, Harris, the Clintons, Obama et al came out to offer condolences on Dick Cheney's passing versus their comments (or lack thereof) in support of Mamdani in recent weeks is very telling.

    Mamdani is a perfect age and with his win, has the profile, to build a strategy on for the Democrats for the next 30 years but the lack of support offered to him from party stalwarts is a sign of how ludicrous it was (and yet it was believed) to accuse Biden/Harris the last 4 years of being radical socialists.

    And these stalwarts aren't going to go quietly. The DNC saw the risk with David Hogg saying that they were going to primary legacy seat holders who weren't performing and they moved immediately to remove him from being in a position of being able to influence nominees. Even Spanberger who won for the Democrats in Virginia yesterday pretty much said last week that she doesn't see Mamdani as a Democrat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Mamdani doesn't suit wealthy donors. Nor are his perfectly legitimate views on Israel welcome.

    In order for the Democrats to stop being their worst enemy, they will need their own MAGA style grass roots uprising, obviously minus the poison.

    The problem is the majority of the electorate are thick. Any change from the status quo of the establishment will be labelled communism, which will be lapped up by the window lickers.

    The Democrats are still a right of centre of party, and historical glacial to change.

    As Newsom said recently about Mamdani.

    "Success leaves a clue."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    The social media wars between politicians over there reminds me watching WWE in the 90's and the wrestlers yelling at other in the lead up to a fight. C'mon Micheal lets see some SM fight between yourself and Mary Lou. Then Harris joins in from the outside later and nails her with a tweet from behind to save his pal..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,706 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,256 ✭✭✭eire4


    That is exactly their mentality. It has been for quite some time the overall message of the corporate Democratic Party and still very much is the case, its you have to vote for us because look how bad the other side is. They have learned nothing and are part of the problem as they think the utterly corrupted, broken and dysfunctional system is fine.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Whilst definitely a negative for Trump, he's not wrong in his assessment. The 'surprise' in NJ was that it was even competitive to begin with, and VA hasn't been a typical swing state in quite a few years. Governor Youngkin winning last time around was itself a mild surprise.

    There is certainly a backlash, but the three big results yesterday are not particular indicators of it as they don't exactly buck any trends, possible exception of Prop 50. More significant are some of the county level swings.

    Prop 50 annoys me. I was one of the voters who voted in favor of stopping the california gerrymandering and giving the redistricting authority to an independent commission, over the strenuous objectionsof the Democratic party who were quite happy with the gerrymandering of the time, thank you very much. This vote reverses that. The comment above about democrats not being "good" but being perceived as "less bad" is accurate. CNN outright calls it out as gerrymandering and a step back from the national trend towards independent commissions. People focusing on Texas (which hadn't moved that way yet to reverse) have missed our on all the other moves in that direction, and California's public move backwards may set a tone for other states to reverse.

    That said, IMO the entire districting concept needs to be ripped up. Why not just make the districts match up with the already extant political boundaries like county lines or city limits? That way there's much less ability to tweak the things. Will never happen though.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/04/politics/california-prop-50-explained



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,092 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Every American president that I can remember is responsible for mass murder on some scale. Theres a reason America don't recognise the international criminal court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He really did. It wasn't much because the US is so firmly and pathetically committed to Israel but he did at least try to help.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,092 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    American taxpayers are going to be paying billions in lawsuits to people assaulted by ICE agents and Trump will walk away scot-free as usual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Any US President could stop Israel's slaughter, ethnic cleansing and stealing of other people's land in its tracks by simply cutting off the supply of arms to it, or even just threatening to. Biden didn't and neither did Trump. Although I suspect that it was mentioned as something that might happen after Israel thought that they could bomb Trump's buddies in Qatar and get away with it.

    In fairness to Biden and the Democrats, Israel's antics happened during an election year and they have far, far, too much sway in US politics. So giving them a slap would have absolutely damaged their campaign. That still doesn't make their acquiescence correct however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,706 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He chose to provide arms to Israel. He never even floated the idea of stopping arms shipments. Never called it what it is. Pushed against censure at the UN. He fully backed Israel's actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Those contracts probably existed before he took the presidency. He could have stopped them but the political blowback would have been catastrophic. Same for calling the genocide what it is, etc…

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,861 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not doing it because of political blowback is still not doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,861 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So what was this "trying to help" that he did do ?

    Whatever it was it done fuk all good and he could have done more but genocide was was more palatable than "blowback" which you seem fine with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,706 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    So you agree he could've done more and didn't. Putting politics above the lives of Palestinians being massacred ( and Ukrainians frankly, given how much he slow rolled material support for them).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yes. My only point is that he wasn't going to split his coalition so he took the easy path and ultimately achieved very little, if anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭thomil


    Not sure why that description should be significant. USS Gravely (DDG 107) is just a regular Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, a Flight IIA ship to be precise, one of 34 ships of that particular subvariant of the Burke class. The gun turret forward, a 5-inch 54 gun, has been the standard gun armament of every Burke class vessel, and all ships from USS Oscar Austin (DDG 79) onwards have helicopter hangars and embarked helicopters. Just for reference, here are two picture of USS Donald Cook (DDG 75), an earlier Flight II vessel, that I took when she visited Cobh back in 2017. You can see the same gun mount on the bow, but no hangar deck due to it being an earlier vessel:

    IMGP0299.jpeg IMG_1074.jpeg

    There are 78 Burke-class ships in service with the US Navy overall, by the way, with a further 21 building or on order.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,706 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think his calculations in that proved incorrect. His actions did split his support, in a way that materially impacted Harris later on. It has also stained his legacy permanently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭roosterman71




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Sorry, but Biden wholly deserves to be remembered in the history books as someone who both directly and indirectly facilitated a genocide, and just because Trump is even worse that doesn’t forgive everything that happened in the year preceding last November’s election. There are many polls out there that suggested the Democrats’ support of Israel’s actions in Gaza ultimately hurt them and alienated many voters.

    Yes, America has a long and sordid history of siding against the Palestinians, but Joe Biden was the US president and could have helped change the tide with the stroke of a pen if he so wanted. He didn’t do it, even as Nethanyahu openly taunted and mocked him in an active bid to get Trump re-elected. Anything he did do was minor at best - for all the ‘Biden is furious at Nethanyahu’ headlines that seemed like a weekly recurrence, that never translated into action or policies. That’s his shameful legacy, and shouldn’t be forgotten amid Trump’s many crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    He really didn't do anything to stop the genocide. He did a lot to enable it. Right at the start he made it clear that Nehayahu had a free hand to deal with Gaza. He backed it up by sending weapons, money and massive diplomatic protection etc. He knew what those weapons were being used for.

    As late as October 2024, after 12 months of total inhuman barbarity Biden was still proclaiming his ironclad support for the perpetrators. He was at the end of his political career - he dropped out of the race in July - so he could have spoken openly with no political concerns. Making excuses for Biden's complicity in the genocide - or arguing that he remained fit for office morally - is just wrong.

    Trump is just as much of a zionist, and since taking office he has continued to back Biden's policy of total support for the genocide. But that doesn't excuse Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Welcome all the long time lurkers who have only now decided to chime in when they see an opportunity to beat up Biden on Israel, while staying absolutely f*cking silent while Trump sh1ts all over Palestine, deliberately scuppering any deal Biden might have made when president by being in bed with Bibi, joked with Bibi about blowing up Palestinians with pagers and posts about their annihilation while putting up Trump hotels and making it a resort! 👋👋👋

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is crazy by Buttigeig. Congratulating 2 of the big Democrat winners but flat out ignoring the biggest is another ominous sign as to how much support Mamdani can expect from his "Party"

    Screenshot_20251105_180636_X.jpg

    He tweeted this long after the result was declared in NY and hasn't said anything since. Crazy strategy from someone who'll be looking for support in 2 years to make a run. And a crazy strategy by the established Democrats to sideline a winning approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The thing is Sand, plenty of posters here have called out genocide in Palestine and rightfully so, they also call out Russia committing genocide etc. Meanwhile somebody such as yourself gets excited by the concept of Ukraine submitting to a genocidal regime. You'd probably be praising Trump if he was more sympathetic towards Russia.…

    So nope, you're a tad inconsistent on this topic. I assume you don't favour Putin being convicted, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Disappointing from Pete. Schumer is a lost cause at this point so I wouldn't expect much from him, but I would have expected Pete to at least have the decency to acknowledge Mamdani's win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    'Bad for business': CEO suing Trump in Supreme Court rails against 'unlawful' policy

     "The government brags that it's $50 billion a month in proceeds. That's just not bearable. And they've also promised that this is permanent. So we either choose to pay a tax we believe is unlawful, or we challenge it and ask the court to review it and decide."Woldenberg went on to say that he and his legal team were pushing for a decision to come down shortly after Wednesday's oral arguments. His main argument is that in 2024, his tariff-related expenses were $0, but in 2025 they will be approximately $14 million — with that cost potentially doubling in 2026."We're behaving the way someone would behave if they had a sudden and irreversible expense of $14 million," he said.

    At last Trump's lies on tariffs will be put in front of the Supreme Court and Trump's lies should be easily exposed, his defence thrown out and told to desist from any further tariffs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Biden's legacy unfortunately will be assisting Israel in genocide and paving the way for the return of Trump because of his refusal to step aside until to late. Its a shame because domestically he was underrated.

    The obvious retort is "what about Trump?" , erm yeah he's a war criminal who has a lot of Palestine blood on his hands also unfortunately. Its 2016 since Trump came into power and its safe to say he is no different to previous neocons whatsoever.

    Biden knew his support of Israel was hurting his reelection chances and the party, but ultimately allowed Bibi to stack up the atrocities, that's how deeply committed Biden was to Zionism.

    When the history books are written he and most certainly Trump will be remembered alongside Cheney and bloodthirsty neocons.



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