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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Colm Brophy (FG) slagging off Yates this morning on This Week. He said Yates didn't do a very good job of coaching Gavin and laughed. He also said FF should have declared that Yates was commercially involved because RTE were also using Yates as a commentator during election.

    Best Presidential election ever!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that there were leaks from FF about Yates coaching Gavin well after the FF campaign imploded.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah apart from the by-election, all the elections are done (GE, Local, EU, President). Path to Power will just become another political review programme. Yates did highlight some of the major flaws contributing to the housing disaster (e.g. judicial reviews, planning delays) where FFG were too stupid/lazy to recognise or fix the problems. Still are.

    Yates was very stupid not to declare his involvement and yet influence the campaign so much (smear the bejaysus out of her). He has his money made though and was close to retirement anyway.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    There may well have been but the fact he didnt declare his role left him open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    He may have had a non-disclosure agreement with FF. If so, he did not break it. The leaks seem to have come from within FF. That looks like an FF problem with gangs struggling for dominance as the electorate, according to the Sindo/Ireland Thinks poll, want Martin gone.There are others who will walk the plank too if he goes as the election badly damaged FF's credibility and support.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Wouldnt expect him to break a non disclosure agreement...if there was one. If that were the case he really shouldn't have taken on the role while he was doing a conflicting pod. He seems to have plenty of other commercial gigs that he could speak freely about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If one existed, he did not break it. His involvement was leaked from (I think) two sources in the Gavin campaign. That looks like FF trying to evade the blame for sheer incompetence in choosing or being made to choose Gavin. At this stage, it looks like FF are fighting like rats in a barrel over who will become the next leader.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "If Connolly had run in 2011 or even 2018, she would not have been elected. There are three reasons: the changed electorate, the decline of FFG, and Social Media."

    In 2011 she had just failed to get elected to the Dáil as an independent having previously served as a Labour Mayor of Galway (with the support of FG and indos) so hardly likely to make much impression running against MDH. Again in 2018 while having been elected a TD in 2016 she would have been running against the incumbent who had a similar profile and the backing of every party except SF.

    On her 2025 Presidential election win, she won because the other candidate HH was a late choice who failed to impress and because JG was a poor candidate from the start even before he withdrew. Nothing to do with un-social media or FF/FG 'decline'.

    In a two-horse steeple chase where one horse can jump and the other struggles there's only going to be one winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Agree.

    ML would have been too big a loss at this time to SF in the Dáil and next election.

    Still supported a popular left wing winning candidate without any loss .

    Maybe further down the line for her …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    After this election disaster for FG and Harris, the only thing open to FG now is for Jennifer Carrol MacNeill to make her move and dispose of Harris. That would give FG bragging rights on having the first female Taoiseach and denying MLMcD the honour.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Why is no one in the media pushing for the most popular, effective, intelligent and articulate FG politician? There's only one name but no one is even asking why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    He is a buffoon and that hasn't changed. A failed politician and businessman , self publicist who has fooled some people into thinking his" I have the inside track " crxpology passes for insightful political critique.

    Pity Matt Cooper got dragged into this but he should be more discerning in his choice of discussion mates .

    And of course it is a conflict of interest , coaching a candidate and not declaring that he had , but for someone with empty pockets needing cash I suppose that is not a consideration .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yates has long pedigree. Big Phil and him moved to stop Peter Barry becoming the leader of FG. Neither gobdaw was fit to walk in his shadow. No time for him after that. That was the original opportunity for FG to grow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Lots of posters delighted that Ivan got the chop but why exactly?

    Why is his failure to reveal his work with FF/Gavin during a political podcast worse than berating the banks in the Dáil but never mentioning those lucrative fees for helping banks to repossess homes?

    What if Ivan had told Matt Cooper about his work but swore him to silence because of client confidentiality?

    What about all those public affairs consultants/ media advisers who fill the radio talk shows every weekend and rarely if ever come clean about their clients? At least the stream of NGO heads are clearly talking their own book but what if they speak outside their remit e.g. if the head of a Climate NGO speaks about migration? Must they say e.g. "my spouse works for a refugee NGO". Is the standard of disclosure higher or lower for an NGO (i.e. largely paid by the taxpayer) or for a commercial business?

    I could multiple examples but my point is that posters here are ever ready to run blindly into a moral quagmire, especially to kick someone when they are down. And, in fairness, so is practically everyone in the media. Of course, no one will believe that I am not a fan of Ivan and have not the slightest connection to him. Just imagine someone who actually tries to be fair and objective!

    So, what am I doing here? Let's start by telling the truth behind this sorry tale.

    The reason Ivan got the chop was financial, not moral (Noel Kelly!). Ivan had been an asset to the podcast - he provided its juice - but he has become a liability. Matt Cooper was already pissed off with Ivan because of "smear the bejaysus" - all Matt's FG buddies were (stupidly) blaming this for the HH fiasco. So Ivan was already on very thin ice and this FF/Gavin story was the last straw (apols. for the mixed metaphors) because it looked like Ivan was playing Matt Cooper for a fool, which means the end of their dialogue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    A lot of whataboutery nonsense there. What have the banks to do with this particular issue? Maybe we shouldn't expect standards of anyone because they aren't as bad as Putin?

    I dont see much delight over Yates, just mainly comments that he had to go.

    Can you not see how ridiculous it was for Yates to have a role on a politics podcast discussing the merits of Jim Gavin as a presidential candidate and all the while he was acting as an advisor to that candidate and neither his co host or the listeners knew. It totally undermined what they were trying to do. If Cooper did nothing and it leaked out another way then Coopers credibility would also be damaged by association.

    If we don't expect standards from journalists and political commentators then we wont be able to separate the truth from misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    'Political commentators' are just people who get paid for giving their opinions unlike the guy next to you on the bar stool in the pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    No they aren't just people giving opinions. In this case Yates is a former minister and in a position to influence people's political opinions. Cooper is an experienced journalist with a large daily listenership who can likewise inform or misinform large numbers of people. So no they aren't just people paid to give opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This post is so all over the place it's actually hard to respond to it. A lot of waffle to be honest.

    I will certainly miss Yates on that podcast but he had to go. I don't think he will disappear off the face of the earth though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So they've got CVs but still they're just paid opinionators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I think the majority of people reading my comments will know exactly what I meant and the contemporary definition according to the Cambridge Dictionary shows my use of the word to be correct...

    The practice of answering a criticism or difficult question by making a similar criticism or asking a different but related questiontypically starting with the words "What about?":

    One of your paragraphs begins with ..

    What about all those public affairs consultants/ media advisers who fill the radio talk shows every weekend and rarely if ever come clean about their clients?

    That confirms my use of the term as accurate. Im not interested in the semantics of the original Latin derivation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Between them they have CVs and extensive experience related to the broadcasting and media. They are well known and respected in the media world. Theres a lot more than getting paid for their opinions separating them from the average barstool punter which is what you inferred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Leo admitted recently on the podcast that he used to call Yates on a fairly regular basis to get a read on the mood music around Irish politics. Yates confirmed it. He has his tentacles everywhere. I have attended a few conferences/events where Yates was a speaker or the host. He does very well in that space.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,810 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I dunno why Yeats has gotten so much leeway from the Irish public or at least those that listen to him. This issue is the latest in several mistakes he has made over the years, none of which cast him in a great light.

    The less of him on the air, the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He had his fingers in a lot of pies. I expect Yates will still pop up here and there guving opinions but I think his credibility is damaged after all this. Its nearly like asking PJ Mara what he thought of Haughy when he was still working for him and expecting an honest opinion. But then again we would know Mara was working for him unlike Yates and his clients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I really enjoyed him when he took over from george hook and I liked that style of tongue in cheek comments to provide debate. But the sthick has become tiresome even though I always listened to path to power. The dynamic with Cooper worked well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Yates doing his job lads, much the same as Connollys barrister work. His advising him doesn't necessarily mean he suported Gavins campaign. He could still be objective in his public analysis of the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    All he had to do was disclose it and there isn't an issue. The fact he stayed quiet is the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Oh! They've got superior opinions, I'm impressed. LOL

    Yates is good craic I'll give him that. Watch the subscribers drop as the entertainment value hits the floor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,088 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    When you strip away the turnout, spoiled votes etc CC was elected by just 20% of the electorate. Yet we have the "left" saying a big change is upon the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If you play that game then the government parties only attracted around 25% of the electorate.

    But that's not how we do things, we go by the count of people who actually vote.



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